"Piracy can't be stealing if paying for it isn't owning"
This is increasingly how it feels, when things you "own" digitally become inaccessible, and when shows which are locked in streaming services can get delisted on a whim, disappearing forever.
Thank you @Illuminatus for this quote.
[Edit: In case this wasn't clear, this is about entertainment and digital ownership, not physical goods]
For a while now digital ownership has felt more like borrowing but that is not how it's advertised.
Piracy seems to be the only way to make sure things stick around.
And don't get me started on the blockchain, as those things would still need to be hosted somewhere that can disappear just as well. That is a solution looking for a problem.
Holy cow, it's still going! If you still think posts on Mastodon can't have a big reach, check out the numbers on the first post on this thread.
This is what they look like now:
"Does that mean you can steal a rental car?"
Bro, I don't know where you got that from. This is about digital entertainment and ownership.
1 - I think you showed this thread in discord before, but can you remind me which one?
2 - how do you see the number of likes/boosts that something has?
@StuffByBez
1 - By clicking the post and scrolling up, you should be able to see the start of the thread, but here it is: https://peoplemaking.games/@gamesbymanuel/110667316416843436
2 - The mobile app I use for Mastodon (Fedilab) shows those numbers. On browser you can click the post to see it, but it rounds them up.
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@gamesbymanuel I clicked the post but can't see the numbers.
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The funny thing is it IMHO applies also to some physical stuff. Or to put it in reverse
Isn't it strange that a landlord uses the rent to pay off the loan. But when the loan is paid off the house is own by the landlord even when you payed it off?
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@ladyteruki
yeo, thatwas set up to cover the "damage" of people copying CDs and DVDs (unless they have copy protection, which most have, but every writable CD, DVD and Bluray still has that fee attached to it)
@Mr_Teatime @ladyteruki @gamesbymanuel Nothing has copy protection. Any turing-complete von Neuman Machine oeprates by creating copies of every piece of information that it processes.
That's how computers work. You cannot under no circumstances transfer a medium to a screen through a computer without creating a copy of the digital encoding of the medium along the way.
@KarlHeinzHasliP
oh, of course it's impossible, but that won't keep rights holders from trying, legislators from outlawing it, and computer/OS makers from selling you machines built to disobey their user's wishes in this regard.
In 2015, the BR player on my PC refused to play my Back To The Future II BR, "due to an IP-related issue". The first one, a day earlier, had had no problem.
That's when I went and figured out how to rip BluRays.
I don't think we've really ever had "digital ownership" in a formal, legal way. Everything we do is mashing copyright laws from the print era on top of things with no physical representation. Sometimes things with no legal copies in the public domain.
We've given the creators the protections of copyright without the actual duty of distributing copies to paying parties. Or even to the public.
We're giving out copyright, but we're not getting any copies. And that's just weird.
@AmonTheMetalHead @gamesbymanuel DRM-free is close in some ways, but the content may still be burdened by specific purchase restrictions not found on physical media. And in some cases disconnected from the content.
I back a lot of D&D map makers. I have hundreds of DRM-free maps, but they don't all have the same license terms. Some are CC-BY-NC, some are "personal use only", etc.
These files exist on my Hard Drive with no DRM, but I'm not actually free to use them all in the same way...
@AmonTheMetalHead @gamesbymanuel
If I purchase a book, I get to follow the long established rules of physical ownership. But the "ownership" of any digital object is subject to long and complicated legal arrangements made at the time of purchase.
And even the simplest purchases (I bought a digital map for my D&D campaign), are subject to individual contracts rather than established default laws.
Because digital ownership isn't really "a thing". It's a bunch of tiny contacts no one reads.
The issue with technology in general is that there's so much focus on the positive traits that the negative traits are either downplayed or completely ignored. Another thing I've observed is tech is used/invented to solve a problem, and while it solves that specific problem, it often creates new and unforseen problems that tech once again has to solve for, it's a vicious cycle
@gamesbymanuel
Piracy is stealing.
Usage of proprietary media can atmost be renting.
Only free and open source is true ownership.
That being said, stealing here implies not always the loss of income but the loss of rights of ownership and / or distribution.
@gamesbymanuel I disagree in the sense that this is not a digital format problem.
Buy any modern physical media, a blu-ray disc for a movie, a video game, whatever. You now own a disc, but for the content stored in it you only have a license to use it.
This becomes painfully clear if you ever try to do something with this data that the actual owner doesn't want you to: You can't make a copy, you can't run that software (in the case of games) in places where it's not "supposed" to run.
@SkellySoft @gamesbymanuel haha thanks! I love The Internet Archive for that reason - it's genuinely such an important thing for us to have. I don't really class my home server as any kind of archive, but there are a few things on there that are really hard to find (and that I seed).
Honestly the server was built on the cheap. I buy old used SAS drives on ebay for a redundant array. I only paid ÂŁ30 per 6TB drive and built up over time.
@gamesbymanuel I buy a copy and then remove the #DRM. If neither a physical nor an #iTunes version is available, I buy a bootleg (which are quite plentiful on #eBay and #Etsy at the moment).
Itâs nice to have one âlegitimateâ copy and one digital copy I can do whatever I want with, especially when it comes to physical discs, because the art tends to be quite nice!
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