Sean TilleyI wrote our first Opinion piece in response to @gruber 's own perspectives on the negative reactions a good chunk of the #fediverse has towards Meta's impending presence here.
Got an opinion piece of your own for our site? Reach out!
Baessito 
☭🇧🇷🇺🇳🇵🇸@pbaesse @fediversereport @gruber Technically yes, but I'm waiting on an update to the integration, so that all articles get published to one ActivityPub Actor. Right now, every author is an Actor, so subscription is a little weird.
Coffee (Team CW)>> "But there are literally billions of good people who use their services. Why cut them off from the open ActivityPub social world?"
> "Confusing users with a service is disingenuous, at best. No one is stopping anyone that uses Facebook from joining the Fediverse. We just want to stop the company itself from bending the network to its own ends."
Exactly this. This whole piece is excellent! Thank you for writing it.
Morten Juhl-Johansen@deadsuperhero Good points and very well said!
L'égrégore André ꕭꕬ@deadsuperhero @gruber On the comparison with email I think it's a good parallel: every serious email provider has an extensive blocklist against domains sending spam/phishing/etc mail, much in the same way every serious fedi instance have an extensive blocklist against bad actor instances.
A lot of Mastodon admins are simply viewing Meta as a lot of email providers are viewing Jeremy Jaynes or Davis Wolfgang Hawke: they shouldn't be allowed on the service because of their documented history.
A lot of Mastodon admins are simply viewing Meta as a lot of email providers are viewing Jeremy Jaynes or Davis Wolfgang Hawke: they shouldn't be allowed on the service because of their documented history.
@deadsuperhero @gruber Oh yes! Gmail and others deciding that "small" email providers were to be labeled as spam just because they're not enterprise sized* would be like a couple of massive mastodon instances (like .Social and the incoming Meta) deciding that small instances were silenced by default even without a history of bad behavior.
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* Happened to my alma mater, 20k+ accounts, back in the 00's, so they had to abandon running their own service.
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* Happened to my alma mater, 20k+ accounts, back in the 00's, so they had to abandon running their own service.
Eduardo
Esther Payne 
@deadsuperhero @gruber I'm reminded about years ago with Livejournal in terms of organic community discovery.
One of the things that would I think have kept it going would have been an easier way to follow people who were on other instances of livejournals code.
But this isn't a technical issue. It's asking users and admins to trust a known bad actor.
@deadsuperhero @gruber Folks on here do have a choice of community to move to. Yes moving is hard and it sucks when defederation happens.
But it is possible to move instances now, and that will improve. As a user I moved a sub account of mine to another instance, purely because of their admins attitude.
What we in the community have a duty to do is on-board, like we did years ago with Gmail invités, Like we did when telling our friends about the networks we were on.
Cyber Yuki@deadsuperhero @[email protected]
Is the goal of the Fediverse to be anti-corporate/anti-commercial, or to be pro-openness? I think openness is the answer.
Okay this is a classic bait and switch. At this point I can't believe he's well intentioned anymore.
You can't be pro-openness if you open yourself to a nefarious corporation. This isn't mom-and-pop's social network, trying to make a living. This is a corporation famous for buying things and then closing access.
He's basically saying: Why are the hens closing their house to the fox? So much for "openness"!
I'm willing to bet he got paid by Facebook to write this little piece.
wb x64@yuki2501 @deadsuperhero my goal is absolutely to be anti-corporate, because I'm anti-fascist and corporations (capitalist controlled organizations) are near-universally fascist: they'll happily use police and government violence to ensure that they profit maximally and forever. Unlimited corporate bribery is now legal in my country. Of course I'm against that. Anyone simping for corporations is telling on themselves.
mofumofu@deadsuperhero there are lots of super smart and well intended people in tech, but their brain can’t break away from the Silicon Valley model of doing business
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Kinetix@deadsuperhero
Nice, Sean. Good education piece covering many of the reasons for the backlash.
@gruber
Nice, Sean. Good education piece covering many of the reasons for the backlash.
@gruber
John Gruber@deadsuperhero I was happy to read your piece. But my first question: are you happy with the growth curve here?
@gruber I'll be the first to admit two things:
1. Yeesh, that's a lot.
2. Hell yeah, the network is growing!
With each subsequent wave of users migrating over, the network grows bigger, and at a faster rate. It's a challenge for us - at times, servers will struggle from the increased user loads as people scramble to upgrade their infrastructure. A lot of people end up launching new servers entirely, enduring a first-hand crash course in how to be an admin.
I'd be lying if I said it was smooth sailing. Of course it isn't. For some, it's a trial by fire, where they have to figure out how best to interact with the rest of the space.
Anyway, this is getting a bit long-winded. TL;DR - Yes, I'm more than okay with the network growing. But not when it is by an actor that doesn't respect the social contract, and is only here to extract value from it.
@gruber Another point is that we haven't yet had the stress test of tens of millions or hundreds of millions of users come to the fediverse yet. Even Tumblr, one of the smaller large networks, could absolutely flood the timelines of anybody who federates with it.
I don't necessarily consider that a failure, but for us, 11 million accounts is a big deal. It took a long time to get there organically, took a considerable amount of fan-out of available servers. In some aspects, I still don't think we're ready for the masses, because there's still a lot of important work to be done to better ensure user trust and safety.
Chris Trottier@deadsuperhero I like your response to Gruber!
On another note, I think I'd like to write a few articles for your project. That is, if you'll have me 🙂
On another note, I think I'd like to write a few articles for your project. That is, if you'll have me 🙂
@atomicpoet 100%, would be thrilled to work with you!
DM me a good email address, and I'll invite you to our chat and get you set up on the site.
Oblomov@deadsuperhero @gruber in fact, my understanding is that one of the reasons why Tumblr hasn't tried to federate yet it's that they don't *want* to overwhelm the network —and that's for a platform that could present each blog as a different instance, thus making it much more manageable from “this” side.
@deadsuperhero this is an extremely well written and incisive article and it mirrors do much of what I was thinking about replying to @gruber that I'll probably refrain from doing it and just link to your post.
I'm the mean time, since you asked about our opinions, you can find (the first part of) mine here;
http://wok.oblomov.eu/tecnologia/credible-threat-1/
I'm the mean time, since you asked about our opinions, you can find (the first part of) mine here;
http://wok.oblomov.eu/tecnologia/credible-threat-1/
unicent 
@deadsuperhero @gruber This is a great article, well done! I really enjoyed the read.
Mike Rodriquez@deadsuperhero @gruber "But I don’t think users are stricken with absolute analysis paralysis like some suggest."
Anecdotally, from knowing a lot of "normal" people, you would be wrong.
What server? was == forget it about it, for many.
" I just think you haven’t been in the space long enough to really know much about it."
I've been in this space since 1984 when I was a usenet admin.
I pretty much completely agree w/John, fwiw, and also, no offense, did not find your article persuasive.
It is an important discussion to have, no question about that.
@glowrocks @gruber That's okay! It's 100% fine to disagree here. For the most part, those who want to federate with Threads will do so, those who won't, won't. The network has long outgrown a maximalist stance that every node has to connect to every other node.
Out of curiosity, did you ever experience something similar during your time on Usenet? What was the outcome?
@deadsuperhero Good point, folks will do what they need to do and that is a large part of the power of federation.
Wrt usenet, there were the AOL hordes, but that passed. There was the beginning of spam, and that didn't.
But there were no big commercial entities to compare to FB.
Google did eat up the usenet archives I believe, w/vast parts now missing. We didn't handle that well, but then again, who's we?
Les capsules du prof Lutz@deadsuperhero "Got an opinion piece of your own for our site? Reach out!"
There's @ploum 's excellent take here: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
