myrmepropagandistJun 20, 2023

If you are a white leftist and you talk “both parties are the same they are both capitalist” you will loose most of your black audience. I think it ought to be obvious that this isn’t because blackfolks love Democrats (in most cases, there is always someone being simple in any group) —no. it’s because the difference between the parties is material and obvious and these are unstable times.

When I hear such talk I wonder if the speaker is working on voter suppression.

Show threadCartyBoston

@futurebird

Ralph Nader did this! We got GWB as a result. Then the Bernie bros in 2016.

It's a deeply ingrained, dangerous ignorance.

Jun 20, 2023 at 12:01pmWeb
Show threadBubba HarrisonJun 20, 2023
@CartyBoston @futurebird people voting for Republicans did this, with a little help from voter suppression and mediocre candidates.
Show threadcat static 🇺🇸🇺🇦Jun 20, 2023

@CartyBoston @futurebird Ah, now, careful with falling into the trap of blaming the left for what the right did.
Nader should have been a lesson learned that third-party doesn't work without electoral reform but Republicans stole the presidency.

https://web.archive.org/web/20181115220042/https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/11/15/its-insanity-how-brooks-brothers-riot-killed-recount-miami/

‘It’s insanity!’: How the ‘Brooks Brothers Riot’ killed the 2000 recount in Miami

Eighteen years after blazer-clad GOP operatives pressured Miami-Dade election officials to end the recount, debate still rages over whether their antics went too far.

Washington Post
Show threadGeorge Liquor, AmericanJun 20, 2023
@cat_static @CartyBoston @futurebird I'll never stop being amazed at how few people know anything about the Brooks Brothers Riot. It was a turning point that allowed a presidential election to be stolen, and the news media yawned and moved on
Show threadcat static 🇺🇸🇺🇦Jun 20, 2023

@liquor_american @CartyBoston @futurebird I doubt it's a coincidence the same players are running the same playbook today.

"Perhaps the most famous operative on the scene was Nixon’s “dirty trickster” himself: Roger Stone.
In a 2008 New Yorker profile, Stone claimed he had been recruited by none other than James Baker III, the former secretary of state leading the Bush recount team, and that it was Stone’s idea to court protesters via Cuban radio."

Show threadGeorge Liquor, AmericanJun 20, 2023
@cat_static @CartyBoston @futurebird It sends my blood pressure through the roof just thinking about it
https://www.voluntownpeacetrust.org/a-peace-of-history-blog/disrupting-the-ballot-count-20002020
Disrupting the Ballot Count 2000/2020

Twenty years ago, the United States Presidential election was undergoing a crisis. On Election Night, November 7, 2000, the nation waited with bated breath as Florida was first announced for Democrat...

THE VOLUNTOWN PEACE TRUST
Show threadcat static 🇺🇸🇺🇦Jun 20, 2023
@liquor_american @CartyBoston @futurebird @scream
Show threadTBYGJun 20, 2023
@liquor_american the election absolutely was stolen. Unfortunately, Nader helped get it close enough to facilitate the stealing.
Show threadTBYGJun 20, 2023
@cat_static Bingo.
Show threadVayl Larkin (they/them)Jun 20, 2023
@CartyBoston As someone routinely called a "Bernie Bro" for voting with my conscience instead of my despair, I'm really tired of this rhetoric. How about this? Bernie ran as a Dem, WON his first primary, was REPLACED by Hillary by the Dem Establishment, but the "problem" is people who had hope, not the establishment that destroyed it? I voted for Hillary in the General, and I voted for Biden. MOST of us did, which is why they Won. It is Not the fault of voters when parties fuck their own rules.
Show threadCartyBostonJun 20, 2023

@VaylLarkinPoet

My point is Bernie, like Nader, suggested there were few differences between the established parties.

It most likely damaged the establishment candidate (Sec. Clinton) in the general.

You can vote for whomever you want but Bernie's record is his record.

Show threadVayl Larkin (they/them)Jun 20, 2023
@CartyBoston I disagree. Saying that the Democratic party is inherently tainted by corporate concerns since the Clinton era is not exactly a stretch, given THEIR actual voting records. That is not the same thing as saying they're "the same" as the opposition. Bernie tried to call out corruption Wherever he saw it. You want a pass for your candidates so they can "win first", but you're failing to understand it's the corruption that's making you look bad to swing voters, not us pointing it out.
Show threadmiasmoJun 21, 2023
@CartyBoston @VaylLarkinPoet Hillary was a Wall Street puppet and a warmonger. Bernie spoke the truth. Why don't you blame her for being horrible instead of him for being honest?
Show threadCartyBostonJun 20, 2023

@futurebird

Y'all I should not have made reference to "Bernie bros" it was unnecessarily provocative.

Show threadmyrmepropagandistJun 20, 2023
@CartyBoston Thanks. We shall never speak of it again.
Show threadmiasmoJun 20, 2023
@CartyBoston @futurebird I find it impossible to take anyone using the term "Bernie bros" seriously. You have apparently been thoroughly indoctrinated by right wing corporate Dem establishment interests.
Show threadCartyBostonJun 20, 2023

@miasmo @futurebird

his supporters were white men

Show threadmiasmoJun 20, 2023
@CartyBoston @futurebird That is not factually accurate. Why are you trying to erase black and latino Bernie supporters?
Show threadmiasmoJun 20, 2023
@CartyBoston @futurebird
and female supporters. You can't even defend your position without making hilariously bogus claims.
Show threadmiasmoJun 20, 2023
@CartyBoston @futurebird And newsflash: Plenty of Clinton and Biden supporters were white men. Your "bro" slur makes no sense from any possible angle.
Show threadmiasmoJun 20, 2023
@CartyBoston @futurebird By the way, more 2008 Hillary primary voters voted for the Republican in the general election than Bernie primary voters in 2016. But don't let facts slow your anti-left roll.