myrmepropagandistJun 20, 2023

If you are a white leftist and you talk “both parties are the same they are both capitalist” you will loose most of your black audience. I think it ought to be obvious that this isn’t because blackfolks love Democrats (in most cases, there is always someone being simple in any group) —no. it’s because the difference between the parties is material and obvious and these are unstable times.

When I hear such talk I wonder if the speaker is working on voter suppression.

Show threadCartyBostonJun 20, 2023

@futurebird

Ralph Nader did this! We got GWB as a result. Then the Bernie bros in 2016.

It's a deeply ingrained, dangerous ignorance.

Show threadVayl Larkin (they/them)
@CartyBoston As someone routinely called a "Bernie Bro" for voting with my conscience instead of my despair, I'm really tired of this rhetoric. How about this? Bernie ran as a Dem, WON his first primary, was REPLACED by Hillary by the Dem Establishment, but the "problem" is people who had hope, not the establishment that destroyed it? I voted for Hillary in the General, and I voted for Biden. MOST of us did, which is why they Won. It is Not the fault of voters when parties fuck their own rules.
Jun 20, 2023 at 5:36pmWeb
Show threadCartyBostonJun 20, 2023

@VaylLarkinPoet

My point is Bernie, like Nader, suggested there were few differences between the established parties.

It most likely damaged the establishment candidate (Sec. Clinton) in the general.

You can vote for whomever you want but Bernie's record is his record.

Show threadVayl Larkin (they/them)Jun 20, 2023
@CartyBoston I disagree. Saying that the Democratic party is inherently tainted by corporate concerns since the Clinton era is not exactly a stretch, given THEIR actual voting records. That is not the same thing as saying they're "the same" as the opposition. Bernie tried to call out corruption Wherever he saw it. You want a pass for your candidates so they can "win first", but you're failing to understand it's the corruption that's making you look bad to swing voters, not us pointing it out.
Show threadmiasmoJun 21, 2023
@CartyBoston @VaylLarkinPoet Hillary was a Wall Street puppet and a warmonger. Bernie spoke the truth. Why don't you blame her for being horrible instead of him for being honest?