Rin HoshigumoJun 2, 2023
FediTips has moved!

WIth Reddit self-destructing, many have been wondering about alternatives on the Fediverse.

I do NOT recommend Lemmy. I have serious long-standing deep concerns about the developers, see here: https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379

As far as I know, nothing has changed since then and Lemmy's issues remain.

Alternatively there's Kbin (https://kbin.social & https://kbin.pub) which seems less problematic. Regarding cryptocurrency issue: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediparty/pulls/97#issuecomment-663170

#Reddit #Kbin #Lemmy #Fediverse

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Content warning: Please don't use Lemmy :( Human rights, oppression

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Jun 2, 2023 at 9:50pmWeb
Show threadLatte macchiato  Jun 2, 2023
@feditips an obligatory "fuck tankies" comment here
Show threadHANK fan TTAFJun 10, 2023
@privateger @feditips thiiiiiiis i got downvoted there for saying that lemmy is filled with tankies
Show threadKristFistJun 2, 2023
@feditips wait now Reddit?!
Show threadFediTips has moved!Jun 2, 2023

@kristfist

Yeah, Reddit suddenly demanded $20 million from a popular third party app:

https://mastodon.social/@christianselig/110464420566906146

It seems Reddit is trying to destroy third party apps, the same way Twitter did.

Show threadKristFistJun 2, 2023
@feditips not to be all bragging Cassandra but I saw this back in 2000…ah sweet interwebs full of potential . Same thing is going to happen with Soma and crime will be so terrible they’ll want us to beg for soldiers to jail the mad poor… #sigh (and since Twitter lost my eye, Reddit has been my new supply)
Show threadJason Bowen 🇺🇦Jun 2, 2023
@feditips Back to Usenet!
Show threadnot a martian, honestJun 3, 2023
@jbowen @feditips that reminds me I should start my newsreader again
Show threadAlfonso UrdanetaJun 3, 2023

@jbowen @feditips

I thought no one was carrying it anymore? I remember google said they were going to do it and then pulled the plug

Show threadaliceJun 2, 2023
@feditips god i fucking hate tankies
Show threadKathrinJun 2, 2023

@feditips

I think a site like Reddit can't easily be federated. It bills itself as the "front page of the internet" because it's an aggregator for people to find interesting topics. If you distribute this, there will be many "front pages", which makes the whole "aggregator" concept nonsensical.

And having one Reddit clone as the new "front page" where people use federation only to comment on that site seems to defy federation, too.

Reddit will be succeeded by another centralized service.

Show threadfrandroid 🏴‍☠️ jin jiyan azadîJun 2, 2023
@Kathrin @feditips I think Reddit model can actually be better federated than Mastodon... The reason Mastodon sucks (i.e. everyone I know talks about how they're talking in the void on Mastodon) is because Twitter's algorithmic tools are part of the reason for its success. If someone was to make a distributed Reddit where voting up posts mattered, and you could surface upvoted posts to readers, it could catch up a fair bit. Who cares if one instance is more likely to be the Star Wars instance, and that there are 6 Star Trek instances? If I'm on an Expanse-focused instance and I can federate posts from SW and ST instances (maybe the upvotes from my instance count more than their total number of votes from all instances?) I can access that viral experience that Masto declined to embraced by not doing QTs or algos.
Show threadPJ "Vote Green" CoffeyJun 3, 2023

@frandroid @Kathrin @feditips

Who's talking into the void?

Mastodon is lovely and friendly and I've been here a hot five minutes and have no claim to fame whatsoever.

Show threadKathrinJun 3, 2023

@Homebrewandhacking @frandroid @feditips

I agree. I think that's one definitive advantage of a federated system: The local timeline.

It's much easier to stand out among a few hundred active users on a given server than among millions on a centralized system.

Show threadPJ "Vote Green" CoffeyJun 3, 2023

@Kathrin

Not being algorithmically suppressed for not being a big account helps too. :)

Hanging out with people in the same time zone definitely helps the sense of immediacy and conversation.

@frandroid @feditips

Show threadGrayson PageJun 3, 2023

@Kathrin @feditips I think the devil is in the details, but I suspect you're right in the final replacement.

I don't see a technical hitch in doing a federated setup, but that top level UI to see across instances (see pic) would need to be much more robust than it is in Mastodon where peering in/searching can be quite hard. I think that's more cultural than an ActivityPub tech limitation though (as I understand it).

Show threadMasterChiefsButholeJun 2, 2023
@feditips why don't use it?
Show threadAlfred DupontJun 2, 2023
@MasterChiefsButhole @feditips tl;dr: tankies
Show threadernestJun 2, 2023

@feditips Thanks for that

which seems less problematic, though it mentions a cryptocurrency on its website

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediparty/pulls/97#issuecomment-663170

Add Kbin to miscellaneous

fediparty - :milky_way: A quick look into Fediverse networks -

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Show threadFediTips has moved!Jun 2, 2023

@ernest

Ahhh! Interesting, thank you!

That is very reassuring about Kbin!

It would be good if they removed the reference to cryptocurrency from their website then? If they're removing the feature anyway?

Show threadernestJun 2, 2023
@feditips Yeah, that's a good point. Recently, I marked it as deprecated in the repository readme. Currently, the wallet is no longer supported by the new version of code. I have neglected the project's website a bit because @cody and I are working on something new ;)
Show threadTravis KJ5DCLJun 2, 2023
@feditips thank you for sharing that about lemmy
Show threadstoicmikeJun 2, 2023
@feditips Do you really want to take in the reddit users?
Show threadFediTips has moved!Jun 2, 2023

@stoicmike

Guess it depends on the subreddit? :/

Show threadstoicmikeJun 2, 2023
@feditips I've looked at it from time to time, not as bad as 4chan, but worse than twitter
Show threadChris ColemanJun 2, 2023
@feditips Seems a bit hyperbolic to say Reddit overcharging for API access is “self-destructing.”
Show threadFediTips has moved!Jun 2, 2023

@Chris

Possibly a bit, yes. Was mainly trying to concisely get across the shock people felt when they saw the API changes happening, in order to fit everything into one toot.

Show threadChris ColemanJun 10, 2023
@feditips OK, *now* Reddit is self-destructing.
Show threadCarlos SolísJun 2, 2023
Are Lemmy clients compatible with Kbin? Or does it use a totally different API? Also, how solid is external follow support (e.g. Mastodon users following a Kbin “magazine” as they call it)?
Show threadcavemeatJun 2, 2023
@feditips lemmy's beehaw server is quite nice and avoids the tankie issues of the other servers
Show threadMETADESTROYER !! (He/Him)Jun 4, 2023
@cavemeat @feditips we still have to deal with .ml sublemmys :((
Show threadAurélieJun 5, 2023
@edendestroyer @cavemeat @feditips
I mean lemmy.ml is barely even ML at this point. Not sure I see the use in blocking it.
Show thread:animated_verified:防空識別區ᴏᴜᴛᴇʀɴᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴀʟ:adm1::adm2:Jun 2, 2023
@feditips You don't like them because they're Marxist-Leninists?
Show threadFediTips has moved!Jun 2, 2023

@adiz

Did you actually read my thread?

It's not about politics, it's about attitudes to human rights.

Using political cover stories to try to excuse human rights abuses is terrible behaviour.

It doesn't matter what the cover story is, human rights abuses are always wrong, no matter who is doing it.

Show threadStemyJun 2, 2023
@feditips I don't get why it's a problem. The fact that main developers are problematic or not does not remotely impact the moderation policy of the instances and their problematic traits aren't impacting the code itself. Furthermore, bigotry is forbidden in the flagship instance and highlighted instance seems relatively safe.
Show threadFediTips has moved!Jun 2, 2023

@stemy

" Furthermore, bigotry is forbidden in the flagship instance and highlighted instance seems relatively safe."

Please read the thread I linked.

The flagship instance's stated rules don't match what the instance actually does in reality. I give specific examples.

Having rules and implementing rules are totally different things, as Orwell noted in Animal Farm.

Show threadStemyJun 2, 2023
@feditips And even so, there are always other instances.
Show threadbgt loverJun 2, 2023
@feditips What's wrong with lemi, like, the code itself? The devs, as you said on that thread, have lots of issues. However, is that a platform's fault? why not, like, just make our own instances or whatever, where that shit isn't allowed anywhere? If twitter would be open source tomorrow and would be implementing activity pub, hell yeah, I'm all for people making instances, though in practice mastodon has the most important features of twitter anyway, so yeah, twitter doesn't accomplish much at this point anyway, open sourced or not.
Show threadFediTips has moved!Jun 2, 2023

@bgtlover

I don't think tech is neutral.

If developers have a problematic attitude to human rights, I do not feel comfortable recommending their work.

Show threadbgt loverJun 2, 2023
@feditips imo tech is neutral, but only as long as the devs don't implement mechanisms to allow said bad thing to happen more, like tweet quoting or full text search for example. Those things can be used for good, but are so, so often used for the bad things, abuse and all. Is lemy in this state as well? does it have mechanisms to promote these kinds of behaviour, beside the atitude of the devs? I would probably not use it my self, or at least make another instance to escape the horibility of the main one, but I wouldn't tell everyone to not use it, but to each their own I guess.
Show threadPorkrollPosadistJun 3, 2023
@feditips @bgtlover One of the main developers is responsible for compiling one of the more comprehensive lists of US human rights violations circulating on the net: https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/us_atrocities.md He has written many other essays (https://github.com/dessalines/essays), so we don't have to speculate or fill in the blanks.
essays/us_atrocities.md at master · dessalines/essays

A few essays on communism. Contribute to dessalines/essays development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Show threadHaelwenn /элвэн/ Jun 4, 2023
@porkroll @bgtlover Yeah, to me it seems more like a moderation issue.

@feditips did you do the right thing and report the content?
Show threadKainoa Jun 2, 2023
@feditips imo the cryptocurrency situation is a non-issue, since it's an optional, disabled-by-default module for cardano tips.
Show threadFediTips has moved!Jun 2, 2023

@kainoa

Yeah, the developer gave me an update about this, I've edited the original post to reflect this and linked to their update.

Show threadZakJun 2, 2023
@feditips Both of my attempts to sign up at Lemmy instances in the past have met with technical glitches, while Kbin worked on the first try. It does appear to federate smoothly with Lemmy instances, which I'm glad to see.
Show threadstux⚡️Jun 3, 2023

@feditips Ohhh didn't know about Kbin! 😮 interesting!

Also.... FIRST time i visit the site and boom  i freaking love the fediverse

Show threadJeff MoeJun 3, 2023

@stux @feditips

Did you have to create a separate account on kbin or were you able to do it thru your mastodon server? /me noob

Show threadstux⚡️Jun 3, 2023
@jebba @feditips It is still in early dev but you can always try but going to a post (on that instance) copy and paste the link (URL) into the Masto search bar 💪
Show threadWierciJun 3, 2023

@stux @jebba @feditips

Hmm Masto search what? Where the hell is it?

Show threadMaryPotJun 3, 2023

@stux @jebba @feditips

Looks really good! I like how the threads are really clear to see. Also the Magazines bit is very tempting!

But, I don't quite get how I can follow anything there from here. It works with URLs, not @-addresses, except for following people... that should work. But not finding threads and such, I suspect.

Also - they don't seem by far as addicted to hashtags as we are!

Show threadDarnell Clayton Jun 3, 2023
@feditips @acb Good to know. I could never get into Lemmy for whatever reason. It never appealed to me.
Show threadMatija ŠukljeJun 3, 2023
@feditips, I find https://tildes.net quite good in this vain and well thought through. But while FOSS it is (intentionally) not federated.
Tildes

Tildes is a non-profit community site with no advertising or investors. It respects its users and their privacy, and prioritizes high-quality content and discussions.

Tildes
Show threadMike RodriquezJun 3, 2023
@feditips Thanks for the info. There's been a big push towards Lemmy and I'd rather know what's up, now, than after making an investment there (or anywhere.)
Show threadPunnamaraju Vinayaka TejasJun 3, 2023
@feditips have to disagree. Let's take the Lemmy software and host our own instances where the devs and their bigotry means nothing. Their bigotry is in their moderation, not in the source code.
Show threadFediTips has moved!Jun 3, 2023

@PVTejas

The more people use a dev's software, the higher profile the dev becomes. Look at how much power and funding Eugen has because of Mastodon being widely used.

Show threadThe Eldritch Rain Jun 3, 2023
@feditips Thank you for the heads-up!
Show threadwjlJun 3, 2023
@feditips Reddit self-destructing? Could you elaborate, and give me/us a link?
Show threadJocelynephiliac Jun 3, 2023

@feditips @rysiek I’m not thrilled about kbin’s api, it doesn’t appear to actually be activitypub, even tho they call it that. None of the objects even use the activitypub context, it’s their own context built on hydra. It’s really just a json-ld api.

https://docs.kbin.pub/#get-all-comments

API Reference

Documentation for the Kittn API

Show threadMichał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦Jun 3, 2023
@twipped @feditips interesting. Calling @ernest
Show threadernestJun 5, 2023

@rysiek kbin has two layers of APIs, one being a standalone RESTful API and the other being ActivityPub. Similar to Mastodon, Lemmy, and others. It is still an ongoing topic of discussion:

@feditips @ernest @twipped @twipped

API Reference

Documentation for the Kittn API