@largess @pedbikeinfo @bikepedantic Cyclists deaths from crashes take place disproportionately on higher speed roadways in the US. People bike on them anyway because in many cases, they are the only option for getting from point A to point B.
Fully separated facilities away from the noise & air pollution of these roads would be ideal, but unrealistic in the near term and, sadly, in the medium term as well.
So if we can at least reduce the risk of fatal crashes in the near term, we must.
@bikepedantic @largess @pedbikeinfo Boosting @bikepedantic's reply here doesn't feel nearly strong enough. I would like to shout it from the rooftops, please.
"If we're serious about bicyclist safety, we're making things safer for bicycling even in contexts where getting more people to choose to bike is unlikely."
@DrTCombs @bikepedantic @largess @pedbikeinfo could omit the word bicyclist
"If we're serious about traffic safety, we're making things safer for bicycling even in contexts where getting more people to choose to bike is unlikely."
#VisionZero
@enobacon @DrTCombs @bikepedantic @largess @pedbikeinfo Love the evolution of this essential point. Could add walking as well.
"If we're serious about traffic safety, we're making things safer for bicycling and walking even in contexts where getting more people to choose to bike or walk is unlikely."
#VisionZero #RoadSafety #SafetyOverSpeed #ZeroTrafficDeaths #infrastructure #transportation #CompleteStreets
@BarbChamberlain That seems to underscore my point, and that of the OP. Until you can do better than a painted bike gutter on a stroad, it is going to be unpleasant for pedestrians.
AND I'll bet that bit of buffer makes it slightly safer besides a place to walk when the sidewalk stops (I definitely see plenty of people walking in our bike gutters where there are no sidewalks.) Now switch the outer lanes to bus+turn only and you'll be getting somewhere, like actual drivers-out-of-cars stuff.
@BarbChamberlain an example of the actual conditions we're dealing with: https://urbanists.social/@enobacon/110443660522214889
Cars are given 2 extra freeway lanes & people are left with scraps. The idea that we need to have a bake sale for a protected bike lane and concrete sidewalk "#CompleteStreets" so as not to disrupt the #carSupremacy is why #Portland's #SWcorridor plan failed. Without operational priority on a #mobilityLaneNetwork, #transit is politically & practically infeasible.
Attached: 1 image #PBOT had a survey about the idea of a #roundabout at #Multnomah & #GardenHomeRd. Over 2/3rds of respondents asked for some kind of separated path on this stretch of Multnomah. There is always someone walking in this bike lane. The project was complicated by how to prioritize left turns into the driveway of the bar (where the very same #drunkDriver from the above crash had last been drinking.) Nothing has been done. #CityThatPlans #Cars1stAlwaysOnly
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