@bikepedantic @largess @pedbikeinfo Boosting @bikepedantic's reply here doesn't feel nearly strong enough. I would like to shout it from the rooftops, please.

"If we're serious about bicyclist safety, we're making things safer for bicycling even in contexts where getting more people to choose to bike is unlikely."

@DrTCombs @bikepedantic @largess @pedbikeinfo could omit the word bicyclist

"If we're serious about traffic safety, we're making things safer for bicycling even in contexts where getting more people to choose to bike is unlikely."
#VisionZero

@enobacon @DrTCombs @bikepedantic @largess @pedbikeinfo Love the evolution of this essential point. Could add walking as well.

"If we're serious about traffic safety, we're making things safer for bicycling and walking even in contexts where getting more people to choose to bike or walk is unlikely."

#VisionZero #RoadSafety #SafetyOverSpeed #ZeroTrafficDeaths #infrastructure #transportation #CompleteStreets

@BarbChamberlain That seems to underscore my point, and that of the OP. Until you can do better than a painted bike gutter on a stroad, it is going to be unpleasant for pedestrians.

AND I'll bet that bit of buffer makes it slightly safer besides a place to walk when the sidewalk stops (I definitely see plenty of people walking in our bike gutters where there are no sidewalks.) Now switch the outer lanes to bus+turn only and you'll be getting somewhere, like actual drivers-out-of-cars stuff.