I dunno what you want me to say:
A fascist got himself elected president of the United States, did a bunch of fascist shit, and then tried a type of coup known as an autogolpe - a coup to keep a strongman in power anti-democratically. Instead of putting that guy's ass in jail, we're putting him all over our TV under the logic that "he's running for office, so stopping him is anti-democratic."
In many ways, Weimar Germany would laugh at how weak WE are; so the comparison is more than apt.
Spectacularly well said Nina..... 👏 👍
I'd state categorically that former President Trump was also laughing his ass off until the government decided searching his house was necessary to protect our national interests. With the rest of his legal issue he's now just smirking like a chimp (chump).
@AnarchoNinaWrites IMHO, it's still that Trump saw that the GOP had turned itself into a fascist leaning party, and took advantage for his own gain while pushing it all the way over the ledge. He's too lazy, corrupt and incompetent to be any good at being a fascist, but those he surrounded himself with and who enabled him? Oh yeah.
Point being that the problems with the GOP are far deeper than just Trump.
@pyperkub Sure, I think roughly half of Republicans are that sort of flavor of populist isolationism: protectionist tariffs, skeptical of international institutions like ICC/etc, against international-police-style wars, fear of immigration, pissed about the state of working class jobs. It surged around 2016 due to Syria, and Trump & Brexit rode that wave. Sanders too, maybe?
It isn't useful to call that "fascist" of course, but politics seems to be about nonsense breathless rhetoric, so I'll ignore that for now.
Was it an attempted autogolpe? The sheer number of lawsuits Trump's team filed was indeed over the top, but it is the "front door", so to speak: if that was autogolpe, then you could also argue that Gore in 2000 was attempting an autogolpe, just he gave up way before Trump did. Same with many other losing candidates. That's silly, so this charge of an autogolpe seems similarly absurd.
Put it this way: if autogolpe was the plan, he would have been a lot more careful about the judges he installed: many of *his* judges shut his lawsuits down!
@pyperkub sure, human nature to blame the other team. (Just look around mastodon.social etc and see all the blaming of "fascists" or whatever going on here.) And I think you're right, it's maybe a bit going out of your way to be unflattering, but blaming others is sort of what populism is all about, whether it's sanders/warren or trump/tucker.
Yeah, stoking fear is a great way for governments to consolidate power. Both parties play into that, for sure.
"build a wall rather than pass immigration legislation" – I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Both parties built the wall, both parties whine about our collective inability to pass "meaningful comprehensive immigration reform", whatever that means. You see a direct line from those things to authoritarianism?
@AnarchoNinaWrites TWW: Humility and generosity. Shield and spear.
I ask you not to seek wealth and prestige, instead always strive for humility and generosity, shield others from danger and be as a spear to their oppressors. *History provides great lessons that I hope will give people some pause before they support corruption for an ideal of an imagined past. As to the question, I would ask you to follow the principles above and stay strong. There will come a day. OWOP
@AnarchoNinaWrites A former President attempts a failed coup to overturn the election --who is also held liable for sexual abuse -- and is treated like a normal Presidential candidate.
Nor have this fascist and his coup plotters faced any criminal indictments.
What the hell are we doing?
It’s 1932 all over again.
Fuck every liberal institution that's still insisting on treating Republicans and their positions as respectable and entitled to business-as-usual treatment. It's agonizing to have, like, this suffocating, invisible enforcement of decorum and pseudo normalcy
@AnarchoNinaWrites alternatively, one could argue that it is nothing more than eyeball bait.
TV channels need to make money by pulling in advertisers.
Calm, measured debate doesn't really achieve this. Incendiary figures on the other hand...
Maybe I am cynical but my inclination is always to ask "who pays" and to follow the money. It is easy to dress up dragging in eyeballs and making money under nobler causes such as free speech etc.
@AnarchoNinaWrites I had no idea you were so simplistic, so quick to resort to ad hominem attacks, and such an abusive person. Buy a good book on informal logic & learn it. On the basis of your response, you seem incapable of reasoning your way off a toilet seat.
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