Avoid The Hack!May 2, 2023

Is #Gmail killing independent email?

"Is it okay that Gmail has the power to decide whether a business is sending spam or not?"

Gmail has rigged the email game imo. It makes running a self-hosted email server hard, even after properly configuring DKIM, DMARC, and SPF.

#cybersecurity #privacy #technology

https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/gmail-independent-email

Is Gmail killing independent email?

People report that self-hosted emails always end up in Gmail spam. Is there anything Google can do about it?

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Show threadJyrgen N
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IMO gmail don't kill independent email. I run a mailing list on my own server (with postfix, but my own very simple and AFAIK standards-compliant mailing list software) with about 20 recipients. Every now and then a message bounces for a gmail address. I tell them "get yourself a better email provider" and get on with my life. So far, no one had complained. There is one left with a gmail address.
All in all, gmail just isn't important enough to change what I do.
May 2, 2023 at 6:15pmWeb
Show threadJyrgen NMay 2, 2023
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Because it still is work, and some responsibility for the handful of users I have, I have thought of giving up my one private email server and using a commercial service instead. But the only one with the right feature set I have seen so far is @fastmail, and they are in Five Eyes countries. If they were in the EU or in Switzerland, I'd throw my money at them in an instant. Fastmail is brilliant, but sadly in the wrong place from my POV.
Show threadAvoid The Hack!May 2, 2023

@jyrgenn Google pretty much unilaterally sets the email standard given their dominance as an email provider.

I have my own private email server as well (avoid the hack). Most of the issues I’ve run into have been because of gmail.

Show threadJyrgen NMay 2, 2023
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I understand what you are saying, but I don't care as much.
Maybe this is an American thing or one of the anglophone countries, but here in Central Europe they don't appear that dominant. As I said, not important enough to change my ways.
Show threadAvoid The Hack!May 2, 2023
@jyrgenn that makes sense! 🙂 I know a lot of people here in my part of the US that use Gmail and only Gmail for everything.
Show threadJyrgen NMay 3, 2023
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Here in Germany we have Web.de and GMX as popular email providers and the Deutsche Telekom as access provider with email, and the big web hosters 1&1 and Strato, who also provide email for hosted domains. All except DT belong to United Internet, but at least in parts operate separately. Privacy-focused providers Posteo and mailbox.org have gained traction.
So, there is some choice, ranging from free over cheap and decent (1€/month, without ads) to full-service.
Show threadAvoid The Hack!May 3, 2023
@jyrgenn I am familiar with mailbox.org!  Glad to hear they are gaining more popularity amongst the masses. Especially like their privacy focus.