Some people will never leave Twitter because it's familiar, they're an established journalist addicted to feeling important, or because they're right-wing chuds who want to see Musk and Truth Social Redux succeed.

Some will migrate to Bluesky for Twitter without Musk. Some will stick with Mastodon on principle or because it's good enough. And then there's some also rans. But I don't think Mastodon or Twitter are going anywhere anytime soon.

Twitter's entire problem is Elon Musk, the debt he saddled the company with, and the intentionally awful decisions he makes. But it still has the most users and is by far the easiest to directly monetize.

That may relegate Bluesky and Mastodon to niche platforms for people who want to avoid ads and other shit. And that could be a lot of people! But it may never dislodge Twitter from its current place of importance.

Only Musk can fly that rocket into the ground.

In the meantime, Bluesky is going to get attention because people are attracted to a shiny new thing and frankly, most social media users don't want to think that hard about what platform they're on.

The people who will leave Twitter typically want the alternative to be extremely Twitter-like, easy to use, with big names they're familiar with, and preferably slick to look at.

They don't care about decentralization or who owns or controls what.

Mastodon's weakness in all of this, if you want to call it that, is that it doesn't particularly care about being popular or convenient. It doesn't care if it has a bunch of celebrities. It almost doesn't want people using it at all if it changes the existing "vibe" or culture. Its longtime user base is perfectly content with its quirkiness, and the developer is disinterested in implementing features Twitter people want and expect.

That's neither good nor bad, but it reflects the fact that the average Mastodon user doesn't care about replacing Twitter and is often opposed to making it more Twitter-like, culturally and technologically, even it means driving potential users away.

Bluesky, meanwhile, is very specifically aimed at people who want a Twitter replacement, even if it's not there yet.

Regardless, this could all end with Twitter winning by default, with all of the negative political consequences that entails.

Bluesky seems to have targeted its invitation and recruitment process at popular Twitter super users, although this process was apparently easily gamed, and if it can get a critical mass to sign on and stick around, it might even succeed, leaving Twitter full of nothing but blue check Musk dittoheads.

It's definitely the best funded and organized "Twitter killer" we've seen recently.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything to Mastodon, of course, other than some people who came here to get away from Twitter may eventually migrate away. And good riddance, some would no doubt say.

Mastodon and the Fediverse may regret that attitude if -- and it's a big if, as there's no reason to trust Jack Dorsey -- Bluesky succeeds at becoming the bigger and more popular decentralized platform.

@gwynnion This has always been my frustration with #Mastodon — that its developers and community don't aspire to unseat Capitalist control of social media. They "think small," despite the huge potential #ActivityPub offered.

Had Gargron allowed for "quote toots" and popularity-sorted feeds, Mastodon would have nipped #Bluesky in the bud *months* ago.

Now that window has probably passed, and some VC-funded alternative protocol will overshadow it.

@donnodubus Mastodon's insistence on not growing and evolving to meet the moment will undoubtedly satisfy some FOSS people who don't care as long as their toy doesn't have to change but it may make it utterly irrelevant otherwise, and that's a damned shame.
@gwynnion @donnodubus my hope is that someone will make a server that speaks both so i can participate in both from a single app
@leer10 @gwynnion @donnodubus This is honestly what we might converge on. It’s not necessarily a zero sum game. Quite likely that some people will host a server that uses both protocols and can consume and push to both worlds.
@donnodubus @gwynnion seems like another project could easily solve for those two issues. quote toots are already well-supported outside mastodon and some form of non-chronological feed could be too. I see a lot more resistance to algorithmic feeds though (I am not team chronological).

@smitten @donnodubus @gwynnion

What we need are a choice of user-defined algorithmic feeds rather than a single global algo designed to maximize monetization.

@Spicewalla @donnodubus @gwynnion yeah I think that would be great. imo fedi software tends to organize itself into different feeds already. Akkoma has Bubble, Calckey has Recommended and Antennas. If there was something like Antenna that also gave you some sorting choices beyond just newest-first then you're already much of the way towards having a user defined algo.

just don't call it that because people will come in your mentions to scold you.
@donnodubus @gwynnion Why do people like popularity-sorted feeds anyway?
@donnodubus @gwynnion those features are available on other Fediverse platforms that federate with Mastodon, but you don't see people flocking to those. Because the truth is that those aren't killer features, they're just excuses.

@donnodubus @gwynnion don't agree; most of the complaints from fedi-critical twitter users that i've read, including people i knew personally, is that picking instances and apps is too complicated and the culture around content warnings and the like is too suffocating. quote toots and better feed sorting doesn't address those, and there are still workarounds for quoting anyway.

fedi's complexity, fedi culture, and network effects from corporate platforms are better explanations imo

@donnodubus @gwynnion This seems a bit harsh. Quote Toots are on the roadmap and development continues on Mastodon as quick as resources allow.

https://joinmastodon.org/roadmap

It’s an open source project and #Bluesky is hardly complete.

Seems like the major “killer feature” for #Bluesky is that it just seamlessly dumps everyone into a single instance and hand-waves all the federation complexity for sometime later.

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@donnodubus @gwynnion I think that thinking small attitude is a bane you see in many opensource projects. Almost like having something user friendly and easy and delightful is frowned upon. I’m not sure quoting or especially algorithm are the biggest issues, but the way federation is done leads to very confusing usability problems which have prevailed for years and it seems there is little interest in dealing with them.