I'm feeling disagreeable so here goes:

I think the narrative that "Silicon Valley broke its own bank and it's another example of how tech is broken" is complete hokum, and exonerates the actual villains here.

Bank runs happen all the time.

They are what happen when you have insufficient bank regulation.

The bipartisan bill of 2018 that let SVB dodge good banking rules is the actual problem here.

This is not a tech issue, it's a banking one.

Another thing I'd like to add: There is a *ton* of content on Mastodon, especially, that passes for "analysis" that is just thinly-veiled partisanship / bias that gets shared and re-shared because it fits the readers' preconceived notions.

Mastodon is better than Twitter in a lot of ways.

But, like all social media, they have *a lot* in common.

Mostly: They're both echo chambers of half-baked takes.

@mimsical I just did a reassessment of my mastodon follows. I now use two clients on my iPhone for two separate accounts. On Ivory I follow a small number of Apple oriented tech people who I find share an interesting range of opinions and links. On IceCubes I follow mostly “fun" people. Ice cubes I'll look at far less frequently.

I like to be a completist on some core folks and having those two groups combined just wasn't working and the volume of “fun" people toots was overwhelming

@Chuck_ORourke @mimsical It's a pity the private note feature can't be extended to add colour coding of toots / badges to people.

Maybe integrated with the lists feature somehow.

Would be a handy way to accomplish something similar but with more granularity.

@StryderNotavi @mimsical I don’t fully get the difference between notifications and mentions (I’ve Cubes calls them messages) and why I need both. Notifications seems to include favorited toots.
@mimsical I will keep answering these kind of toots with the following observation. Many of us have enough nous to avoid 'confirmation bias'. Please don't lump me and many others with the herd.
@mimsical hey, my takes are at most quarter-baked 🧐
@mimsical Mastodon being an echo chamber of half-baked takes is totally right, and is even worse in a way because there are simply less true expert to counterbalance partisan hype.

By far the best takes I've seen on SVB came from Twitter. Just like Mastodon has great people with nuanced and smart takes, there are still so much more of them on Twitter currently. Way harder to find, with significantly less engagement obviously, but they are absolutely out there. Especially on finance, way less so on the fediverse
@laurenshof yeah, sigh, I'm finding this to be true lately as well. I don't visit twitter but rarely, but I rely on others who scan it to bring me good stuff you won't see here
@mimsical true for lots of conversations 😅
@mimsical sadly this is true. this is why you need to look at more relutable sources. and no im not talking about cnn. im talking about the peer reviewd stuff. if your in college you may beable to get a load of docs for free and scholarly.google.com is also a good sorce for them.
@mimsical I feel similarly about the Wall Street Journal.
@patmikemid wsj opinion and news are completely separate (also: yes, when it comes to that side of the paper)
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@mimsical I absolutely agree.

Unfortunately, for both good reasons and bad, "big tech" is a boogieman (and I say that as someone who is on Mastodon because of my own disdain for much of the industry), and this event is being fit into that preexisting narrative.

The result is news articles that feel more like dunking on the industry than real, sober analyses of root causes and actual solutions.

@mimsical 100% - I grew up in middle o no where small town USA and those little poorly capitalized small banks are also at risk of the same exact thing. It's not because of tech at all
@mimsical But didn’t this particular bank lobby very strongly for these changes in 2018?
@SCampbell Yes, along with plenty of other banks, but ultimately it was *Congress* passed that bill, not the bank. And even if you still want to blame the bank for the bill, that’s still… the bank, not the people and companies using the bank. And the solution remains fixing the regulation.
@tolmasky I am just trying to understand it. I’m Canadian so bank runs are just not talked about here.

@mimsical

"Tech is broken" and "there is insufficient regulation" are not mutually exclusive, and may actually be related. Tech libertarianism helped fund the weakening of regulations, after all.

@mimsical I think you are misunderstanding the narrative.

The philosophy that removed regulations is the same one reigning in the top techbros worldviews.

@mimsical @futurebird Huh. I haven’t seen the tech narrative at all, only the regulation one. Makes me wonder just how siloed my media is…

@mimsical maaaybe, through that strikes me as a bit of a false dichotomy. Yes, the 2018 Crapo deregulation + mediocre management of the bank’s assets are the root cause, but it’s entirely possible SVB would still be solvent were it not for the herd of jittery VCs.

And the reason there’s so much jeering at the tech angle is the Ayn Rand fanclubbers are the ones calling for more of that very deregulation.

I just don’t see this playing out with Third Farmer’s Bank of Iowa City.

@jimray that's fair. definitely a both/and situation

@mimsical
It's almost mathematical truth that banking is unstable unless backed by government:

Banks take deposits, most of which can be claimed at moments notice. They give out loans over longer time frames. Nothing can save a bank if all depositors call.

If rumors start about a bank run, the rational action is to take part in it. The vicious circle spins. Instability.

The only working backstop is a government that can print money. But that means it must also regulate, QED.

@mimsical nah, while banking regs _might_ have helped, they can't stop all bank runs, especially not when driven by the kind of herd mentality that VC funders are so very prone to.

There's a whole lot of things that would have made this Not Happen, including SVB just thinking for three minutes about interest rate risk and correlation with startups.

@mimsical Bank runs don't happen because there is too little regulation. Banks *fail* during a bank run because they aren't sufficiently resilient, which is one thing that financial regulation tends to try to strengthen.

A well-capitalised bank can withstand a bank run, perhaps even down to its last dollar. Weaken or remove regulation, and you might end up with less-resilient banks who can't. SVB, it turns out, was not remotely a resilient or well-capitalised bank.

@keplerniko this is silly. it was a very well capitalized bank, but there was a mismatch between deposits and the term of the treasuries they put them into. not a big one, %-wise.

no bank can stand "to its last dollar" this is not how banking works

@mimsical what about the unrealised losses on HTM assets? On paper the bank appeared well-capitalised but the rapid outflow of deposits meant they were forced to start recognising those losses which quickly ate up the capital buffer.

This chart shows they were not actually ‘well capitalised’ despite being able to claim so through accounting.

@mimsical It *is* how ‘banking’ works—electronic money institutions, for one, are required to safeguard ALL customer deposits. They don’t get to invest it in securities or anything else for that matter (fully licensed banks do but not EMIs).

SVB was a fully-licensed bank, but the idea that a bank shouldn’t and doesn’t hold (or couldn’t get) enough cash to counteract a bank run isn’t a ridiculous one either.

@mimsical Yes, but it's so delicious to add extra schadenfreude to one's order with this particular mess! 😈
@mimsical the vc flavour of tech likes to break shit (I believe disrupt is their preferred terminology). One of the things most commonly broken is regulations. And they have the lobby money to do so.
@Habigelo true, but in this case it was a different set of anti-regulation types doing the dirty work :)
How Trump’s Deregulation Sowed The Seeds For Silicon Valley Bank’s Demise

Every couple of years lenders and traders tell me that ‘this time, it will be different.’ Silicon Valley Bank-induced chaos shows that bank deregulation always ends in the same painful way.

Forbes
@mimsical what I saw is some of the stupidest risk management I've ever seen...only solution would be to require all deposits to be backed by short-term treasuries just in case other banks are just as stupid
@mimsical It’s both; tech-adjacent finance assholes (VCs and other hangers-on who can’t do the work but want to own the result) that pushed for the specific deregulation for SVB then, who pushed SVB to take unreasonable risks, who forced their portfolio companies to use SVB for “synergy” (leverage), and then induced the run last week.
@mimsical Of course, one can argue that VCs aren’t tech (they’re the ultimate “I’m with those folks!” jackasses) but they present themselves to the rest of the world as the titans of tech so tech gets blamed.

@mimsical "This is not a tech issue, it's a banking one.”

It's both.

@mimsical It's definitely both.

With a side dose of Silicon Valley companies failing to use known tech to handle payroll across multiple bank accounts to preserve FDIC protections, & doing insane shit like keeping half a billion $ in one bank (Roku).

@mimsical Yeah, small depositors can't stress test your bank. But multi-million $ payroll companies can be responsible for knowing FDIC deposit limits and managing risk. You know these same people would be making analogous arguments if we were dealing with subprime mortgage borrowers.

But I agree bad 'conservative' GOP governance is the *largest* problem. Cows are out of the barn since 2018. How are you going to get around the filibuster & House to fix that now?

@mimsical Krugman makes the same point in today's NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/14/opinion/silicon-valley-bank-bailout.html

A short piece like that can't properly substantiate its arguments, so feels more like opinion than 'proper' analysis but, as 'hot takes' go, it seems on target.

Opinion | How Bad Was the Silicon Valley Bank Bailout?

It may not have been necessary, but it won’t do much harm, either.

The New York Times
@mimsical @stevestreza Peter Thiel’s still a massive asshole though
@mimsical I'll go further. Bank runs happen on purpose. Creates profit for the 1% through several means such as gov bailouts - aka socialism for the rich - aka theft

@mimsical both things are true.

yes the banking regulations loosened — by silicon valley specifically demanding them — which made the initial error possible

but a handful of VCs called up their portfolio companies and triggered a bank run of billions within hours — something virtually impossible to trigger for any normal bank w normal customers — when the bank would’ve been able to recover from the MINOR deficit if given a little bit of time & ecosystem support

@amyhoy yep, this is the view I’ve come around to
@mimsical @amyhoy it sounds like they pump and dumped their own bank. see: greg becker sitting on the fed, greg becker calling for those looser regulations, greg becker cashing out days beforehand

@exchgr @amyhoy good points!

after reading the nytimes "what happened inside..." piece, I think it might be just incompetence not malice, tho

@mimsical @amyhoy whatever the motive was, it was an intentional cash grab, whether or not the consequences were foreseeable. which, given that these guys were definitely around for the gfc and dodd-frank act, they should have foreseen
@exchgr @mimsical the NYTimes has a vested interest in making all kinds of malice sound like just incompetence, it’s practically their current mandate
@mimsical Rather, it’s a issue of private lobbying and public governance.
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@mimsical Agree as long as you’re not simply blaming the legislators/regulators. SVB and the banking lobby worked hard for years to undo regulations set in law. The Trump admin sealed the deal. But the bankers knew exactly what they were doing all along.
@mimsical It was all about erasing Obama’s legacy. Republicans did this.
If Clinton had won in 2016, that 2018 bill wouldn’t have happened. That’s a fact.