delta  Mar 2, 2023
its funny to me just how much of the external discourse about the fediverse revolves around people being completely unable to comprehend the concept of hosting something with no profit motive

so much of the commentary on "the viability of the fediverse" is written by people just so deep into capitalist brainrot they've completely lost touch of the idea that one might host something for a community, or just do something for people for the hell of it

people need to remember, the feeling that you're helping a community or that you've done good can also be an incentive, money is not the only incentive to do things as much as capitalist brainrot tries to tell you it is
Show threadgrinMar 3, 2023
@delta except those who aren't ignorant yet see serious problems with a highly segmented loose group of stricly guarded opinion bubbles.
I see viability problem not in hosting but in the non-existing "community".
Still, unless everyone get bored it will go on, even if only used by the amount of people equals to current gnutella users.
Show threadLisPiMar 3, 2023

@grin @delta The main reason for #Gnutella's decay is that it's profoundly insecure in its #clearnet-centric state.

An #I2P-only implementation would possibly be usable, but like most protocols not designed around pluggable transports as a first-class concern, it'd require significant deviation from the standard protocol & bespoke implementation.

Show threadgrinMar 4, 2023

@lispi314 @delta Well it's been before security/encryption became chic, but I know no similar alternatives. People are using bittorrent+dht+pex I believe, which is not _that_ more secure.
It was gone IMO because it became segmented and slow.

Fedi is different though: it should be a common communication platform instead of segregated opinion bubbles, and I believe this is its demise as well. Broken by design.

Show threadLisPiMar 4, 2023

@grin @delta Oh no indeed, #clearnet torrenting is also completely insecure for anything which could be in any way compromising.

I'm inclined to agree to a point, it would be preferable to have something far closer to a #P2P setup. Unfortunately connectivity issues (end-to-end on my CGNAT? No! - average ISP) & privacy (network analysis & dragnet) on the clearnet make that a bit inconvenient.

At the #ActivityPub level, single-user instances aren't meaningfully different from multi-user.

Show threadLisPi

@grin @delta But unlike say... #SecureScuttlebutt there's no explicit affordance made for relays or TURN-like convenience whatsoever.

There's an assumption that end-to-end connectivity is possible over low-latency networks.

Mar 4, 2023 at 3:26pmWeb