Next time you're using one of those soggy paper straws, remember that over 200 private jets took off immediately after the Super Bowl. That's the same carbon emission as 3,000 commercial fights.* Private jets should be illegal. Every celebrity who flies in one knows exactly what they're doing, and doesn't give two shakes.
* This was the stat I read, but there are several alternate math equations below from folks, mainly ranging from "gross" to "seriously gross" levels of pollution. Quantify as you please, friends. 👍
@AshleyMarineP "commercial fights" describes the economy class too close :)
@AshleyMarineP fwiw the numbers sound about right to me. An empty private jet likely uses less fuel than a commercial jet, but of course, it only carries a few oligarchs instead of several hundred people. So a per-passenger fuel consumption of 15:1 sounds in the right ballpark. But 80,000 people flying or driving in from wherever to watch violence disguised as sport is gross no matter what. And then certain politicians complain about singing Lift Every Voice and Sing. Thanks for your post.
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Math question. Does this mean 3000 people taking commercial flights. 3000 plane starts feel like a bit stretched.

@realn2s @AshleyMarineP z

It must. It doesn't make sense that a private plane emits 15 times as much as any commercial plane.
Note also that it's likely that each of these 200 jets had more than one passenger. If we assume even 3 or 4 per jet, the relative damage looks quite a bit better, i.e., 2.5:1 or so, rather than 15:1.

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'Trump’s tax reform means individuals & companies can write off 100% of the cost of a new or used private jet against their federal taxes.
This has helped drive the cost of flying by private jet down, enabling more jet-sharing websites & apps to pop up & increasingly attracting people who would have previously booked a business or first-class seat on a commercial flight.'

Superyachts are f🤬cking planet killers, too.
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@realn2s @AshleyMarineP

From what I can see, studies estimate that private jets emit 5-14 times as much carbon per passenger mile than commercial passenger jets. Neither is great.
But it's a continuum - I've seen an estimate that the fuel economy per person-mile for a reasonably loaded private jet is about the same as an F-150 pickup with only one occupant. There are a whole bunch of those around here...

@realn2s @AshleyMarineP yeah I’m really confused on how they’re getting 200 private jets being equivalent to 3000 commercial flights
@Arcana @realn2s @AshleyMarineP

she said the carbon emmision was the equivalent of 3000 commercial flights.
this does sound pretty unreasonable tho i wonder where that figure come from.
@tiskaan @realn2s @AshleyMarineP source: I made it up

@Arcana @AshleyMarineP @tiskaan
I don't think it is made up. I think units are mixed up. One unit is flights/plane the other is seats.

The article https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/private-jets-environment-carbon-footprint-climate-change-harry-meghan-markle-a9071391.html mentioned in the thread explains it.

According to the article a Boing 737 uses roughly 3 times the kerosin of a typical private jet. Meaning 200 private flights are equivalent to ~60 commercial flight.
The private flights transport somewhat between 200 and 1600 passengers,
The commercial flights ~12000 passengers

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@AshleyMarineP “sacrifice” is for the masses
@AshleyMarineP As a math fan, when I saw numbers put in a dialogue I always want to check how these numbers found out at first. Like how do you know private 200 jets have 3,000 commercial flights. I think for the further notice you should also add that info about how you find this empirical result. Anyways, I tried to find by myself, found a different but still shocking result, and will explain in my another comment. continues......
@corewill maths should be used for good
@AshleyMarineP I take an example of Phoenix airport to John F. Kennedy airport in this example. According to today's flights, it is nearly 5 hours nonstop. Therefore, I used this website https://zenithjet.com/zenithjet-aircraft-carbon-emission-calculator/ to find the carbon emission of Beechjet 400A, common private jet. The result was 10623.58690 kg. Then I used this ICAO calculator, https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/Carbonoffset/Pages/default.aspx, to find out one economy class of a flight from PH to NY is 268 kg. coefficient K= 10623.58690/268 = 39.6 times more
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@AshleyMarineP So 200 * 39.6 = 7,920. So, 7,920 economic flight attendants could use airplane instead of an 200 private jets for PHX to NY.
@corewill @AshleyMarineP Good, now divide 7,920 by 120 (average people on a commercial flight) and it is the equivalent of 66 commercial flights.
@cventouratos @AshleyMarineP Yes, it is the equivalent of 66 commercial flights.
@AshleyMarineP Of course this is an empricial evidence and this number can change accordingly. For example the type of private jets are an important factor. Are they mostly light or very light jets? What is the average of flight time they had? I found out that if the flight time is less, the coefficient that I found, which is 39.6, gets less, which means that private jets are more carbon emission efficient compared to longer hours.
@AshleyMarineP don't use a straw. I don't need to suck in my water like a baby on a bottle. I drink like a normal adult.

@LeaBug @AshleyMarineP

I guess the point was not really about straws, more about the fact that anything you do to make things better is largely offset by selfish people that, for example, fly private jets.

@AshleyMarineP where is Kim Stanley Robinson’s ministry for the future when we need them?
@AshleyMarineP No matter how much of climate change is caused by rich people, they will always find a way to shift blame to the poor and middle class, whether it's plastic straws or something else. They banned plastic grocery bags in my state (including the recyclable ones), but private jets are still 100% legal.
@AshleyMarineP Besides your numbers being way off, the problem is flight emissions in general. The solution is developing the technology to produce more efficient and/or alternate energy engines. Anything else is punitive policy bs that is more harmful than helpful. F.e. alt energy engines are easier tested on smaller craft and will be more expensive to produce even if they cost less to operate. It is easier to create for a private aircraft initially and then develop for a commercial liner.
@cventouratos @AshleyMarineP
I do hate this "oh we just need to invent something that will fix it all".
@CoolBlenderKitten @AshleyMarineP Yes. Because "it is all their fault" and "kill ---- and ----" is always such a solution. Not to mention that no-combustion engine research is not currently happening. Let's face it the quality of life we enjoy is because we keep inventing stuff that fixes some.
@cventouratos @AshleyMarineP
Yeah, but we already know the solution to these problems and it's not "inventing something else that we like better so we don't have to change our destructive way of life"
@CoolBlenderKitten @AshleyMarineP I am stupid. Explain your solution to me.
@AshleyMarineP @glynmoody Shocking! Super Bowl should be banned! 😜 But seriously...200...
@acesabe @AshleyMarineP indeed, good to have this quantified...
@AshleyMarineP There should be the “number of paper straws you need to use to balance the private jet flight” online calculator.
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@AshleyMarineP Instead of criminalizing their fuel should be taxed so high that it will work as actual wealth redistribution.

And yes I hate #PlasticStrawBan since it's utterly bad and ableist #VirtueSignalling espechally since the cup ist sill plastic-coated paper and won't be recycled and they still slap a plastic disc on top...

@AshleyMarineP Even saying “I wish I had a private jet” makes someone sound like a bit of an a-hole.

@AshleyMarineP

It's also private cars, and commercial jets, and air conditioning.

But yeah, there's no problem with plastic straws as long as they get thrown out properly, and a well managed land fill is fine.

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I feel like if more people could afford a private jet, they would likely use them.

@AshleyMarineP Remember: individualizing "responsibilities" never works but #GuiltTripping the consumer and not change systemic issue.

#Capitalism is the sickness.
#ClimateChange is just yet another symptom.

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@AshleyMarineP Unless there's massive change nothing will get better...

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@AshleyMarineP and since that would require abolishing #Capitalism - which won't happen.

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@AshleyMarineP

Let’s go one step further: no person needs more than one billion dollars. That is an obscene amount of money.

I see your banned private jets and raise you banning anyone from being a multi-billionaire.

#eattherich

@AshleyMarineP That's pretty cool seeing all them planes.

@AshleyMarineP unfortunately most people will focus on unimportant things like precise numbers (while they can do their own calculations) and not on private jets destroying environment more than plastic straws (which is apparent even without numbers).

But we live in capitalism - people will gladly give up straws, but not idea of owning luxury private planes one day.

@AshleyMarineP Are you saying that one, generally smaller, private jet has the same emissions as 15 commercial jets? Not per person but absolute?

Admittedly without any data I feel like that doesn't sound right. Do you have a source on that?

@AshleyMarineP how about we all just fly in peace 🛩️✌️
@AshleyMarineP *Gasp* But paper straws save the turtles or something! How can banning private jets save the turtles??
@AshleyMarineP It is difficult to save the climate in your spare time when others are destroying it full-time.
@AshleyMarineP if we ban private jets, all the billionaires will become airline owners à la Michael O'Leary's licensed Dublin taxi.
@AshleyMarineP Its okay, the people in those private jets will have planted a tree or something...
@AshleyMarineP I like this but what's the source? Can it be verified?
@AshleyMarineP We are most certainly living in an oligarchy.
@AshleyMarineP It's a good point. Many talk the talk, but refuse to walk the walk. But this is really about the ridiculous wealth inequality in our society.