Christina WarrenThe never-ending “Background Items Added" pop-up for an item I already disabled or already know about is the most annoying part of Ventura after the new System Settings design.
ADdaveRemember when there was an "I'm a Mac" ad making fun of Vista's atrocious UAC settings? Yeah, we get that now, but it is somehow worse!
Rob Pegoraro@film_girl Vista UAC never asked you to confirm inter-app copy and paste the way iOS and iPadOS do.
Sören@robpegoraro @film_girl to be fair, we couldn’t really foresee then (2006) how much some apps would abuse your privacy — including by analyzing info from your clipboard
@chucker @robpegoraro this is true but it’s also obnoxious once you’ve whitelisted something once to have to keep doing it.
Shawn King@film_girl I Tech Edited Pogue's Vista Missing Manual book. I kept reading it and thinking, "WTF are they doing it this way? The Mac does it SO MUCH BETTER!"
I no longer think that way. :(
@KingShawn it's honestly so depressing
@film_girl I am no longer that guy who jumps on every update the second it becomes available. Hell, I waited a year for one update just because of its issues. I *still* haven't updated to Ventura.
Basically, I no longer trust Apple the way I used to. And that's not just me "getting older/wiser". Their software has literally been going downhill for a decade.
@KingShawn same. Unfortunately at work, we need to use updated versions (tho they did require us to wait a few weeks for Ventura) and I’ve found iCloud to be finicky if you are on multiple OS versions (which goes back to your point about Apple trust) so I have to upgrade each year, even if I don’t want to.
@film_girl For me, iCloud has been so consistently flakey, I've stopped using it wherever I can. Sad state of affairs.
And don't even get me started on Apple and their "Storage options"....😡
@KingShawn oh, I absolutely don’t rely on it for exactly those reasons.
@film_girl And if "us nerds" don't trust it, I damn sure don't recommend anyone I know, ie, The Normals, use it either.
Feed Me Doughnuts@KingShawn @film_girl who uses iCloud? I dumped that flakey pos in 2015.
Dan Betcher@KingShawn @film_girl it would be kind of nice if they just slowed down on the new features for macOS and we got a couple years of Snow Leopard-style upgrades that were all about performance, bug fixes, and overall quality assurance.
I need my Mac to be a rock-solid work horse I can trust and rely on.
@danbetcher @film_girl Eaxctly. And that's why I now wait 3-12 months *before* I even think about updating to major new versions. :(
@KingShawn @film_girl yeah, I only ever make exceptions when a feature I want on iOS requires me to update everywhere - like when they upgraded the notes app a few years back. Even that, though, I’ll try to wait as long as I can. (Or more often, switch to a 3rd-party app to fill those needs instead)
@danbetcher @film_girl iOS is a bit different for me. I usually upgrade after a week or so.
@KingShawn @film_girl yeah I’m much quicker on iOS too. Usually less than a week. Usually long enough to know that the upgrade isn’t bricking phones, then I go for it…
Brandon Tyson@film_girl How is it worse now?
@BTyson the prompts don't go away! They show you the same thing like over and over and over again sometimes.
@film_girl On Windows or the Mac?
@BTyson on Mac! I sometimes get a dozen identical messages a day telling me Canva added something to my login preferences, even tho I disabled Canva’s login agility months ago!
Dave Murdock@film_girl @BTyson I saw this too & it feels like it has to be a missed requirement/bug. Possibly some shady stuff Canva is doing with bundle IDs, digital signatures, paths, or all of the above. IMHO, the real issue is that Apple isn’t fixing these kinds of issues nearly fast enough. IIRC, the iOS Copy/Paste prompt had a similar issue that was released & unfixed for too long.
@davemurdock @BTyson I don’t know if it’s shady or if apple just obscures how to do it right because I’ve seen very good apps fall victim to this issue.
@film_girl @BTyson oh for sure it could be that too. I wrote a login item before. Haven’t checked if reqs have changed, the docs were understandable (but not easy) a few years ago. changed doc format since then. At the time, if you named your bundle right, put it in the correct path, and let code signing work, it “just worked”. That’s not proof it still is, just an anecdote.
Canva was the only app I’ve seen personally have this issue & I got a few installed.
Sam Henri Gold@film_girl shots fired (cancel or allow)
MattLeidholm@film_girl I actually think it comes from the same sort of place: trying to apply a different security model on a system never designed for it. In fact, OS X is nearly the exact same age today that Windows NT was when Microsoft released Vista.
Derek 🌈@film_girl i loooved those commercials.
AlanGrassia@film_girl “You are coming to a sad realization. Cancel or allow?”
Bʀʏɴ Bᴇʜʀᴇɴsʜᴀᴜsᴇɴ@film_girl I’d actually take Vista’s UAC over this nightmare approach Apple’s taken
sortius@film_girl Yeh, us Windows users suffered through the worst early, and now Windows is pretty solid with that stuff.
I suppose it's just a sign Macs are being targeted more for the same exploits Windows was when Vista was created 😖
Chris Atzinger@film_girl those ads were the best I’ve seen in tech. Great actors and the message was easy to understand.