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John GruberWe’re just reinventing it from the grassroots once again. Clients like Ice Cubes and Ivory show previews of Mastodon posts when you include the URL in your quote post. It’s already happening and Mastodon’s official web interface will have to catch up. They lost their chance to define the quote-post on Mastodon by refusing to do it all for highly dubious “safety” reasons. https://mastodon.social/@film_girl/109759044241043089
Leon Cowle@gruber So far I’m enjoying the way Re:Toot has approached it, and that’s become my goto (for now) for quote-posts.
Kevin Karhan 
@leoncowle @gruber personally I prefer #boosting stuff over quoting...
But that's just me...
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/109759594004511914
Kevin Karhan :verified: (@[email protected])
@[email protected] In fact I know countless users that literally bought @[email protected] from @[email protected] because of that feature. #Mastodon is kinda shit in terms of #UI & #UX for a lot of people...
Pixol22@leoncowle @kkarhan @gruber As much as everyone would love to live in a perfect world, the quote post was used to spread dubious opinions, launch trolls into people’s feed, and “dunk” on users. I think boosting or liking is much healthier, and gives greater importance to the original poster’s opinion, rather than the “re poster.” Plus, placing a link to someone’s Toot may seem less convenient, but it’s less likely to be abused for clout, or controversy
@kkarhan @leoncowle Sure. And I think boosts will remain more common than quote posts. But that doesn’t mean there shouldn’t and won’t be quote posts.
David Collantes@leoncowle @gruber isn’t the way Re:Toot does it by taking a screenshot, and inserting a link at the top? Could you show me a post that has a quoted post by the tool?
@leoncowle It’s clever for sure, inherently awkward to leave your main app to use one just for quotes.
@gruber It doesn’t feel like you’re leaving, though, because it’s all accomplished using the share sheet and a Re:Toot modal, so you aren’t, in fact, leaving at all.
David
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Quinn Nelson@gruber Yep. It’s already a done deal.
Christina Warren
Bed@gruber @ivory I find mastodon previews to be sooo hit and miss. Is it instance dependant. For example this is how your post looked to me in Ivory
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The Savvy Millennial™ 
Jordan Kay@bed @gruber Mona has gotten this right from day one. I honestly forget there technically isn’t quote posting on Mastodon because of that.
Manuel Kehl
Lydia@Lydia_Beeyoobee @bed @gruber Works as expected. It’s something totally within the possibility of the client to get right.
particlesimho @ivory should just adopt this method
Philipp
Kyle Pflug@kylealden @_Jordan @bed No, that would have to be added to the Mastodon protocol. That's one of several reasons why it'd be best of Mastodon officially added the feature, rather than depending on third-party clients to implement it in ad hoc fashion.
Sebastian
🏳️🌈 Lucy Wildboots 
@moehrenfeld I think most people think as you do right up until the function is weaponized against them. IMHO it is an opinion that helped ruin BirdChan. ‘I want what I want when I want it’ is a bad reason to further implement a feature to which a huge chunk of Mastodon is opposed. 1/2
@moehrenfeld 2/2 I don’t care that your feed was peaceful. I care about those who were hurt by it’s use. Until you can protect my right to consent to its use for my posts, until you can prevent its use for doxxing I will oppose further implementation. Proactive consent, my right to be safe, is part of what makes this place so special.
@LucyWildboots @_Jordan @bed @gruber I understand this and I also want people to be safe. But clients are already implementing it so if we want a safe implementation in the protocol it should happen soon. We (as in early Twitter users) invented Quote Tweets without support from Twitter because we wanted to use it. It will happen here as well.
@moehrenfeld ‘Everyone else is doing it’ is an interesting take on Holocaust Memorial Day. Then wrapping it up with the tech version of‘thoughts & prayers’ is, honestly, bs. We (as in early Twitter users) created a lot of stupid things that we do not have to repeat here. And since I started in 2007 I blame myself too. Here’s an interesting notion: instead of saying you care, actually care.
@moehrenfeld Care enough to not find work arounds or call for features until serious concerns for safety are addressed. Any other position puts your cares about safety in the hot air category.
@moehrenfeld @_Jordan @bed @gruber I guess I struck a nerve. Twitter was a steaming pile long before Musk. Maybe you should all remember that before you insist on making Masto Twitterfied.
@LucyWildboots wow okay, throw the Nazi comparison in there. I think we’re done here. We’ll see what happens.
@LucyWildboots @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber way to get people to switch off any reasonable debate: compare it with genocide. Just saying.
@bed to assume that there will be real debate in which the pro-QT side would actually stop their push to implement is either deliberately disingenuous or incredibly naive.
And the holocaust didn’t spring up overnight. It happened one day at a time. One ignored wrong at a time. The tool as currently implemented removes a core principle of Masto: proactive consent. And that is worth fighting for.
@LucyWildboots @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber I don’t understand how linking to a publically accessible url is against consent. This is how the web works. If one doesn’t consent to the url being linkable by *anyone anywhere* it shouldn’t be a public url.
@bed linking can & has been used for harassment & doxxing. It happened to me & others. I should have the right to say, ‘you can include me’ or ‘I don’t want you to post my address.’
Instead of respecting not only the existing communities opposed to QTs but the culture of consent already here the pro-QT side seems hell bent on implementing Twitter eff ups for the sake of THEIR convenience. Also ‘just sayin’ is generally just passive/aggressive bs…just saying.
Mike Beasley@bed @LucyWildboots @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber
“Quote tweeting is just like genocide because I don’t like either of them.”
“Blocking quote tweets will prevent doxxing.”
“The community is opposed to it, I speak for all of them.”
“Consent must be given for linking to a public web page.”
Kind of impressive how far people have to bend over backwards to argue against this and still make zero compelling points.
If you don’t like quote posts just don’t have one. 🤷🏻♂️
@MikeBeas This fixation on the Holocaust as being solely about the genocide is incredibly simplistic. When I made the reference I assumed my audience was sophisticated enough to understand that there were many bad choices and many steps that got the world to that point. My apologies for that assumption. 1/2
@LucyWildboots @bed @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber You’ve got some nerve drawing a comparison and then accusing your audience of not being sophisticated.
@LucyWildboots @bed @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber Explain how a quote can hurt someone in ways that a reply-and-self-boost or simply including a link to the original post in your response cannot be used. Cite specific examples of such usage.
@MikeBeas No. I won’t Google things for you either. Because YOU are the person who wants to make the change, it’s on YOU to find a solution for all of us.
I was dog piled over Queer politics. I’ve seen people chased off Twitter because of harassment started by a Quote Tweet. Consent gives me protections I never had om BirdChan. Instead of trying to gaslight those of us who experienced it, spend your time finding a solution that works for everyone.
@LucyWildboots @bed @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber The solution for all of us is to render quote posts as expected. Wow that was easy.
People who call Twitter “BirdChan” have already lost the discussion.
No one is going to ask your consent to post a link to your public posts on any website, including this one? You want consent? Make your account private. Problem solved.
@MikeBeas Telling us to go private is you passively disenfranchising anyone who disagrees with you. You understand that it’s classic authoritarian behavior, right?
Either that or it’s you as the who’s admitting you are not technically capable of providing consent and that you’re okay with putting everyone else in potential harm.
All for quote tweets. That’s honestly disgusting.
@LucyWildboots @bed @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Explain how posting a link to a public URL does any of the things you claim, and how not rendering the post as a post, but rather as a link, prevents any of the harms you claim will result from the implementation of proper link previews.
@LucyWildboots @bed @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber you want control over who can quote you. you have that already. we can already post a link to your post and tell people to look at it. that’s a quote.
you have the power to stop us from linking to that post right now by going private.
quotes are already here and you already have the power to stop them.
we’re not asking for anything groundbreaking.
@LucyWildboots @MikeBeas @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber all I want is for mastodon url previews to work properly as expected by the modern internet. This *could* then be used to provide in context reference. This is how the public internet works!
@bed ‘it’s always been this way’ is a bad reason to code. Especially if you’ve been told it can hurt other people.
@MikeBeas @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber
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@LucyWildboots @bed @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber Don’t post things on the public internet if you don’t want people seeing it.
@MikeBeas damn. I thought with the .gif dealing with whingeing would be done. I guess not.
@bed @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber
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@LucyWildboots @bed @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber Well you haven’t made a coherent case yet so I’m not sure what you thought was settled but ok.
@LucyWildboots @MikeBeas @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber better stop using the internet if linking to urls is so problematic! Cos that’s all quote replies are.