John GruberWe’re just reinventing it from the grassroots once again. Clients like Ice Cubes and Ivory show previews of Mastodon posts when you include the URL in your quote post. It’s already happening and Mastodon’s official web interface will have to catch up. They lost their chance to define the quote-post on Mastodon by refusing to do it all for highly dubious “safety” reasons. https://mastodon.social/@film_girl/109759044241043089
Bed@gruber @ivory I find mastodon previews to be sooo hit and miss. Is it instance dependant. For example this is how your post looked to me in Ivory
Jordan Kay@bed @gruber Mona has gotten this right from day one. I honestly forget there technically isn’t quote posting on Mastodon because of that.
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🏳️🌈 Lucy Wildboots 
@moehrenfeld I think most people think as you do right up until the function is weaponized against them. IMHO it is an opinion that helped ruin BirdChan. ‘I want what I want when I want it’ is a bad reason to further implement a feature to which a huge chunk of Mastodon is opposed. 1/2
@moehrenfeld 2/2 I don’t care that your feed was peaceful. I care about those who were hurt by it’s use. Until you can protect my right to consent to its use for my posts, until you can prevent its use for doxxing I will oppose further implementation. Proactive consent, my right to be safe, is part of what makes this place so special.
@LucyWildboots @_Jordan @bed @gruber I understand this and I also want people to be safe. But clients are already implementing it so if we want a safe implementation in the protocol it should happen soon. We (as in early Twitter users) invented Quote Tweets without support from Twitter because we wanted to use it. It will happen here as well.
@moehrenfeld ‘Everyone else is doing it’ is an interesting take on Holocaust Memorial Day. Then wrapping it up with the tech version of‘thoughts & prayers’ is, honestly, bs. We (as in early Twitter users) created a lot of stupid things that we do not have to repeat here. And since I started in 2007 I blame myself too. Here’s an interesting notion: instead of saying you care, actually care.
@LucyWildboots @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber way to get people to switch off any reasonable debate: compare it with genocide. Just saying.
@bed to assume that there will be real debate in which the pro-QT side would actually stop their push to implement is either deliberately disingenuous or incredibly naive.
And the holocaust didn’t spring up overnight. It happened one day at a time. One ignored wrong at a time. The tool as currently implemented removes a core principle of Masto: proactive consent. And that is worth fighting for.
@LucyWildboots @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber I don’t understand how linking to a publically accessible url is against consent. This is how the web works. If one doesn’t consent to the url being linkable by *anyone anywhere* it shouldn’t be a public url.
Mike Beasley@bed @LucyWildboots @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber
“Quote tweeting is just like genocide because I don’t like either of them.”
“Blocking quote tweets will prevent doxxing.”
“The community is opposed to it, I speak for all of them.”
“Consent must be given for linking to a public web page.”
Kind of impressive how far people have to bend over backwards to argue against this and still make zero compelling points.
If you don’t like quote posts just don’t have one. 🤷🏻♂️
@MikeBeas This fixation on the Holocaust as being solely about the genocide is incredibly simplistic. When I made the reference I assumed my audience was sophisticated enough to understand that there were many bad choices and many steps that got the world to that point. My apologies for that assumption. 1/2
@LucyWildboots @bed @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber Explain how a quote can hurt someone in ways that a reply-and-self-boost or simply including a link to the original post in your response cannot be used. Cite specific examples of such usage.
@MikeBeas No. I won’t Google things for you either. Because YOU are the person who wants to make the change, it’s on YOU to find a solution for all of us.
I was dog piled over Queer politics. I’ve seen people chased off Twitter because of harassment started by a Quote Tweet. Consent gives me protections I never had om BirdChan. Instead of trying to gaslight those of us who experienced it, spend your time finding a solution that works for everyone.
@LucyWildboots @bed @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber The solution for all of us is to render quote posts as expected. Wow that was easy.
People who call Twitter “BirdChan” have already lost the discussion.
No one is going to ask your consent to post a link to your public posts on any website, including this one? You want consent? Make your account private. Problem solved.
@MikeBeas Telling us to go private is you passively disenfranchising anyone who disagrees with you. You understand that it’s classic authoritarian behavior, right?
Either that or it’s you as the who’s admitting you are not technically capable of providing consent and that you’re okay with putting everyone else in potential harm.
All for quote tweets. That’s honestly disgusting.
@LucyWildboots @bed @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Explain how posting a link to a public URL does any of the things you claim, and how not rendering the post as a post, but rather as a link, prevents any of the harms you claim will result from the implementation of proper link previews.
@LucyWildboots @bed @moehrenfeld @_Jordan @gruber you want control over who can quote you. you have that already. we can already post a link to your post and tell people to look at it. that’s a quote.
you have the power to stop us from linking to that post right now by going private.
quotes are already here and you already have the power to stop them.
we’re not asking for anything groundbreaking.