Read my lips:

An audio show that can only be played in an Apple player on an Apple device is not a podcast.

An audio show that can only be played in Spotify is not a podcast.

Repeat ad nauseam for any other proprietary audio show platforms.

A #podcast is an #RSS feed with enclosures of audio files which are playable across the whole ecosystem of podcast players.

Any reporter who reports on exclusive audio shows and calls them “podcasts” are doing a grave disservice to their audience.

@jaredwhite @binarytango I mean it could be an ATOM feed but yes I completely agree

@laurenzannah @jaredwhite

points for pedantry

@benx @jaredwhite Thank you! I'm an incorrigibly pedantic person and it flares up sometimes 😅
@laurenzannah @jaredwhite
accuracy is important *nods*

@jaredwhite

I agree, but the vernacular (as opposed to technical) definition is getting away from us.

I got into a disagreement with the Parsec awards over this.

@jaredwhite Same for video shows only available on YouTube.
@kevingamin @jaredwhite came here looking for this response.
@Klaxun @kevingamin @jaredwhite I recently learned that YouTube provides RSS feeds for channels. It doesn't advertise them at all, and you have to search really deep to find it, but it works. I don't know for how long, and YT is still a crappy platform, but I've been happily using that for several years now to feed the videos into my mail/news/feed setup, and play them in mpv via yt-dlp… 🙃 https://danielmiessler.com/blog/rss-feed-youtube-channel/
How to Get an RSS Feed for a YouTube Channel

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@daniel_bohrer @kevingamin @jaredwhite I had thought that Google killed that feature.
@Klaxun @kevingamin @jaredwhite maybe it only still works by accident…? 😅
@daniel_bohrer @Klaxun @jaredwhite Nope, it's still there. I dropped my YouTube account address (https://www.youtube.com/@KevinGamin) into my Feedly and it saw an RSS feed. I was able to subscribe to it.
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@kevingamin @daniel_bohrer @jaredwhite maybe it's just the app I use. Podkicker wasn't able to subscribe to that.
@Klaxun @daniel_bohrer @jaredwhite Yeah, the app might not see the videos as downloadable files, so these would not be true podcasts you could subscribe to.
@mjgardner @jaredwhite gatekeeping podcasts

@dnklgr @jaredwhite “Gatekeeping” is literally what specifications like #RSS do. Otherwise nothing works together, which is precisely the situation you have with “podcasts” that only play in the provider’s app.

Imagine if someone started calling things “websites” that didn’t use HTTP or HTML and you could only use their app.

Or here’s a “USB” port but it only works with cables from the manufacturer.

@mjgardner this seems like it’s made for you, @marcoarment
@jaredwhite I agree on a technical level, but feel like this is the cracker/hacker argument all over again. It’s doomed to follow whatever the masses think it’s called
@jaredwhite this is so extremely true!
@jaredwhite There is a certain irony in choosing to die on the hill of a word that is derived from the playing of audio files on a specific company’s specific device. (We can agree to differ: sometimes you just have to let the language evolve. ‘Podcast’ has come to mean non-linear spoken audio, I’m afraid. Just as it’s no longer files played exclusively on iPods, it also now applies to BBC Sounds shows, et al 🤷)

@RichardYoung @jaredwhite the responses to this remind me of Brian Deer, the man who exposed Andrew Wakefield as a fraud.

Whilst Wakefield was ultimately responsible for his fraudulent MMR "research", Deer would take no responsibility for the headlines and pages of nonsense that his, and other media, printed that propagated the big lie.

Journalists and media appear to bother little about facts and truth in the main, as long as they have *something* to write.

@jaredwhite this this this. It's a podcast if I can listen to it in my app of choice – which for the vast majority of app means RSS.
@jaredwhite hmm is that so? I figured the word comes from the 'ipod', so I thought the opposite: anything that isn't intended for apple specifically isn't a podcast. Not that it matters, since colloquial blah blah

@bazkie @jaredwhite you are correct on the #etymology. The #format needs a new name but think we all broadly agree with the OP’s #sentiment.

#podcast #apple #spotify

@jaredwhite Perfectly enunciated, lips read!

If I can’t get it on #Overcast, I’m not getting it! @marcoarment

@jaredwhite What i still don't get is that Apple goes "hey, please use our podcast app" but then it can't even sync listening progress between devices, that's so dumb
@iwamoto @jaredwhite Been using Apple Podcasts app for years and with my HomePod devices. No issues with sync.
@JNGold @jaredwhite maybe it's a policy on my phone (company phone) but when i play something on my phone and open the app on my mac, it has no clue where i left off. so this isn't expected behaviour?
@iwamoto i can’t speak to the macOS app but I can say I have no issues with iPhone and iPads, Apple TV, and HomePods.
@iwamoto @jaredwhite If your iPhone is a work phone, are you using your personal iCloud and iTunes accounts on that device. All OS require to be on the same accounts in order for sync to work across devices.
@JNGold @jaredwhite yeah a lot of stuff works fine with keychain sharing etc, but i know one of our policies also blocks icloud photo backup, so i wouldn't be surprised if it gets blocked by some policy, just good to know it wasn't an Apple oversight :)
@jaredwhite Apple wouldn't know (or support) an open standard if one smacked them in the face.
@rj @jaredwhite But they do. The iTunes podcast list is still the most comprehensive podcast list around. Overcast e.g. uses it for its indexing.

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What is a Podcast?

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@gunther "Anything on the internet is a podcast" 🤣

I do sort of wish I could be a modernist on the media type, but it's hard enough to fight for audio podcasting these days, video seems to be a lost cause in the shadow of the absolute YouTube monopoly. But a person can dream…

@jaredwhite While I agree, I fear you may be fighting a losing popularity battle against those who believe podcasts to be any audio show delivered over the internet.

@perovskite haha, well I've fought losing popularity battles for most of my life. Guess I'm just a sucker for lost causes!

(Hmm, I guess I'd fit right in with the "Qowat Milat" 😄)

@jaredwhite and a video show in youtube is not a podcast either
@jaredwhite hmm, sounds a bit exclusionary thinking in this way though? The average consumer perceives a podcast as listening to an audio show on a podcast platform. Not sure force framing it in any other way increases value? 🙂 this sounds more like a helpful technical point to improve the standard
@jaredwhite Ship has sailed on that. Any audio that is streamed, a discussion or otherwise, regardless of the app that receives it is a “podcast”.
@jaredwhite I get where you're coming from, but it's not a hill I'm going to die on. Now, trying to call someone's YouTube video a podcast...that's where I draw the line.

@srgower But why are you drawing the line there? If a podcast is just a show where people chitchat about whatever for some lengthy period of time, and they happen to record a video of them doing so and put it on YouTube, surely that's still a podcast right?

In my view, if we don't draw the line at where the actual technology of open podcasting has itself been drawn to date, all bets are off.

@jaredwhite Podcast is audio. Video is an entirely different medium. It's not any simpler than that. RSS distribution isn't going anywhere, but unfortunately neither is platform exclusivity.

@jaredwhite
I’ve seen ”Please subscribe to our podcast on Instagram!”

So I guess it needs to be said:
Two people talking to each other in a video only available on Instagram is not a podcast!

@jaredwhite I 100% agree, despite the claims made by two persistent commenters in response to this post. They’re unconvincing to me. An on-demand audio show I’m forced to use a particular app to listen to is not a podcast. Spotify can call those shows whatever they want, that doesn’t make their labels true. If their co-opting of a popular label fools some in the press, that’s sad. We have so many examples of that in every area of life, it shouldn’t be hard to understand that this is another one.

This is one of the most disappointing things Apple has done, from where I sit. Just terrible behavior from a company that should know better.

@jaredwhite *opens door - peeks my head in the room for a moment*
an idea borrowed from Patreon would be to have each episode exclusive to a platform for 1 week, and then widely available after that. It's a bit of a middle ground (but perhaps that doesn't make anyone happy :)

It doesn't work so well for up-to-the-minute stuff, but there's much otherwise.

*closes door - pads away silently*

@javajoint oh sure, I don't have any problem with shows which provide early access episodes through membership before they go out on the public feed. I also don't have any problem with episodes which are exclusively behind a paywall, provided that I can still subscribe to those exclusive feeds via my podcast app of choice.

Believe me, I always want to err on the side of providing creators in good faith with the ability to make a living.