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Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮Jan 21, 2023

When games that are live service, or rely heavily on servers get cut off, they should at the very least release the server code so others can continue hosting it.

Stop being afraid of open source and embrace it. Too many games will be lost to greed.

Duelyst is a wonderful recent example of how to do it right.

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/01/counterplay-games-makes-tactical-card-battler-duelyst-completely-open-source/

Counterplay Games makes tactical card battler Duelyst completely open source

This is awesome and something more developers should do with games they shut down. Counterplay Games have made their mix of a collectable card game and a turn-based strategy Duelyst fully open source.

GamingOnLinux

Blake Cicenas Jan 21, 2023

Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮

Imagine instead of the complete brutal removal from stores and shutdown that Epic Games are doing with Unreal Tournament, if Tim Sweeney fully open sourced the original. Imagine the fun people could have with such gaming history.

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/12/epic-games-are-killing-off-a-bunch-of-classics-like-unreal-tournament/

Epic Games are killing off a bunch of classics like Unreal Tournament

Epic Games announced today they're killing off a bunch of classic games removing them from stores and turning off their online services for retro delights like Unreal Tournament.

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Vile Lasagna Jan 21, 2023

@gamingonlinux as usual, "capitalism is why we can't have nice things"

Deurman@fosstodon $

@VileLasagna
@gamingonlinux I don't even know if capitalism is to blame here. Since by making it unavailable, they're not profiting of it anymore. Unless... 🤔

OH GOD WHAT IF THEY'RE GONNA PULL A GTA DEFINITIVE TRILOGY?!

Luis/Luigi ☭Jan 21, 2023

@deurman @VileLasagna @gamingonlinux it kinda is because even if they're not profiting from it they're not open source it just in the event they want to do it later

Deurman@fosstodon $

@LuigiDev
@VileLasagna @gamingonlinux that's kind of what I meant with the whole GTA trilogy thing...

HAFBlade Jan 21, 2023

@LuigiDev @deurman @VileLasagna @gamingonlinux

The absolut newest version is open source together with the complete unreal engine 4 and 5. I don"t understand why this is not mentioned in the article...
Oh and the new engine versions can be easily compiled for linux

halikular Jan 21, 2023

@VileLasagna @gamingonlinux yeah blame everything on capitalism would you. in a communist society you're likely only going to have a different problem to complain about. for instance the game might've never been developed because the state deemed it a stupid game and didn't want to finance the development of it, or a game like doom might've been seen as too violent. out of touch bureaucrats and government officials are making these decisions, and don't want to take the risks.

Vile Lasagna Jan 21, 2023

@halikular @gamingonlinux
Look, you can imagine whatever nonsense you want about communism, including the stuff you were just describing but it doesn't change the reality that:

If you look at a problem and it can be explained through the profit motive, then it is a problem caused by capitalism.

I don't even need to go into how your idea of communism is complete nonsense

halikular Jan 21, 2023

@VileLasagna @gamingonlinux It's state control vs free market, you know that.

Vile Lasagna Jan 21, 2023

@halikular @gamingonlinux Nah, that's a capitalist framing of things that no only imagines communism in a very strict and awkward way but also fails to recognise the structure of capitalism itself. There is no bloody "free market" it's always been a lie, and it continues to be so. Fucking US installs dictatorships everywhere to protect economic interests and prevent development on the periphery, what part of that is "freedom"?

Vile Lasagna Jan 21, 2023

@halikular @gamingonlinux "Huawei is oferring a better products and better prices than Verizon? Well, I guess it's illegal to buy from them now. The Invisible Hand has spoken, lmao"

halikular Jan 21, 2023

@VileLasagna @gamingonlinux What you've said is true, but there is no black and white and one isn't necessarily better than the other. Communist or capitalist absolutism would be miserable but a good balance creates something good for everyone. USA is probably to most capitalist country today, but in Scandinavia and the Baltics we have democratic socialism fueled by capitalism. It ensures a relatively free market and autonomy, yet offers welfare and social programs, no matter rich or poor.

halikular Jan 21, 2023

@VileLasagna @gamingonlinux Communism isn't a foreign concept at all for most (on a local level). Throughout the world most close families could be considered communist as we generally help each other out without requiring reimbursement. Parents give to their children who then give back when their parents become older.

Vile Lasagna Jan 21, 2023

@halikular @gamingonlinux Those countries merely operate their capitalism on a broader level. Their relative comfort and equality is built on exporting their underclass overseas. Everything they have is built on the misery of others that they enforce.

Social Safety Net is not communism, when you're talking economic systems, it's all about how society is divided. Capitalism means it's divided between owners and workers, with the latter paying for everything

halikular Jan 21, 2023

@VileLasagna @gamingonlinux >Everything they have is built on the misery of others that they enforce.

Can you elaborate on that?

Vile Lasagna Jan 21, 2023

@halikular @gamingonlinux Through the globalisation process they export their exploitation to the periphery. For one example, a lot of them take a lot of their money from oil which they exploit in peripheral countries.

As part of the imperial core they enforce conditions on those countries to ensure their access to those resources. All of the profits then go to fuel the safety nets on the core, which are dismantled on the periphery to maintain the power imbalance

halikular Jan 21, 2023

@VileLasagna @gamingonlinux You must be talking about continental Europe. The Scandinavians only ever colonized a few territories and couldn't hold on to them, so barely profited of off it like the UK, Belgium, France etc. Norway, Sweden, and Finland was very poor up until the 20th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_colonialism

Scandinavian colonialism - Wikipedia

Vile Lasagna Jan 21, 2023

@halikular @gamingonlinux I'm talking about shit that happens right now. it's how their economies function

Nick @ The Linux Experiment Jan 21, 2023

@gamingonlinux They could even just drop the code as is, without any support or cleanup, and people wouldn’t care, and still use it. It would cost them 0 and would gain them tons of good will. It’s insane how formatted these people must be to not even see that solution…

dulsi Jan 21, 2023

@thelinuxEXP @gamingonlinux Unfortunately in a lot of case they don't own all the code. They may no longer have the ability to even build the game. Bitrot is a big problem. I've been going around fixing up broken open source games. I tried building DRL (formerly DoomRL) a while ago. Even with all the experience I have doing this, I couldn't get that one to build.

Const Jan 21, 2023

@gamingonlinux
I'd say it would be basically useless without the trademark. If open source gaming has one thing, it's damn high quality UT alternatives.

Deurman@fosstodon $

@gamingonlinux
Another reason why Id is better than Epic 😜

RetroDevDaemon Jan 21, 2023

@gamingonlinux "Tim Sweeny" is synonymous with anti-consumer, anti-gamer, cheapskate, ignoramus and out-of-touch.

I never think of the word "fun"

Rassilonian Legate Jan 21, 2023

@gamingonlinux
I just told my mom about that list of games, her responce was "I understand why you hate epic"

Mike Jan 21, 2023

@gamingonlinux that would be amazing, but it goes against his past actions

Mccobsta Jan 21, 2023

@gamingonlinux
http://beta.openspy.net/en/howto/ut2k-engine/ut2004 many servers for unreal 2004 have been promoting users to switch to open spy

OpenSpy

@gamingonlinux Tbh it was one part of the "old" idSoft I actually liked, when they used to do it for Quake... It kept the engine alive and allowed people to play around with it for new "mods/games". To have that with the original UT engine would be great, but I can't see them doing it because of Unreal engine... Not very good for customers though (I own a few of the games/DLC they are removing 😭 ).

Bales Jan 21, 2023

@gamingonlinux
It's one of the many reasons I will refuse to use their service. Unreal Tournament 4 was (albeit slowly) starting to look good and they completely scrapped it because some bored devs turned Fortnite into a battle royale.