🐇🕳Jan 12, 2023
elle
music is mostly just really loud math
Jan 9, 2023 at 10:55pmWeb
Show threadelleJan 9, 2023

Someone just sent me this. It's a collaboration between a Santa Fe Institute mathematics professor and the Santa Fe symphony orchestra, on the relationship between math/music. It's fascinating

https://www.santafe.edu/news-center/news/video-majesty-music-and-math

Video: The Majesty of Music and Math | Santa Fe Institute

Watch The Majesty of Music & Math, a multi-media collaboration between SFI's Cristopher Moore and The Santa Fe Symphony, and produced by New Mexico PBS.

Show threadShane MooreJan 10, 2023
@ElleGray
Thanks Elle! I thought you might appreciate this one as well about waves. Visualizing sound through cymatics, and resonant frequencies.
https://youtu.be/KijiWlTJp3Y
WAVES — Visualizing sound through cymatics and resonant frequencies | Phenomena (4K)

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Show threadelleJan 10, 2023
@LowKeyinKC thank you 🙂
Show threadGarth CummingsJan 11, 2023
@ElleGray one of the books I read as part of a graduate music composition class https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach
Gödel, Escher, Bach - Wikipedia

Show threadIamWahlJan 12, 2023
@ElleGray
For a long time now I’ve thought that music is tuneful math plus emotion, with a side of je ne sais quoi…
Show threadelleJan 12, 2023
@iamwahl exactly right 😊
Show threadMike Meadway 🇺🇸 🇩🇰 🇬🇧Jan 9, 2023
@ElleGray Bach 🙂
Show threadelleJan 9, 2023
@mmeadway love him ♥️
Show threadhowiecohenJan 11, 2023
@ElleGray Amen. https://youtu.be/4_XDqElDOS0
The Waist and the Knees

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Show threadAnOrdinaryWriterJan 11, 2023
@ElleGray Actually I think the correct terminology would be air magic, and those whom create music are known as magicians 🤓
Show thread🤘 The Metal Dog 🤘Jan 11, 2023
@ElleGray
#MathCore may be your kind of #metal
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Show threadelleJan 11, 2023
@TheMetalDog haha! I've just heard some. It's kind of amazing, but I can only take about 60 seconds of it at a time 😄
Show thread🤘 The Metal Dog 🤘Jan 11, 2023
@ElleGray
It has yet to click with me.
Show threadWe Should Bury ThisJan 11, 2023
@ElleGray this explains math groupies and the tendency for legendary mathematicians to die at 27
Show threadMasto.poetryJan 11, 2023
@ElleGray
Yeah, but punk rock is algebraic equations
Show threadelleJan 11, 2023
@Mastopoet this makes sense 😄
Show threadCyber YukiJan 11, 2023
@ElleGray TIL Tchaikovsky was a very loud mathematician 
Show threadCyber YukiJan 11, 2023
@ElleGray (for reference: https://youtu.be/55fmNwCgf1M )
tchaikovsky no

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Show threadPamela EhnJan 11, 2023
@ElleGray that is the whole hypothesis of Boulez’ music, which is unlistenable. Art still has to come into play.
Show threadelleJan 11, 2023
@cadenza that's too literal. I don't even really understand the "this is a math song" concept. For me, art and math come from a similar place in our brains, and probably, in the universe.
Show threadPamela EhnJan 11, 2023
@ElleGray my point was Boulez was too literal, which is why it’s unlistenable. Though truth be told, it isn’t even pretty math.
Show threadBadtux the Snarky PenguinJan 12, 2023
@cadenza @ElleGray Intuition and artistry come into play in mathematics too though. An elegant proof is not obtained through soulless mechanical manipulation. Too many people confuse arithmetic with mathematics. Arithmetic is described by mathematics but is a physical property of reality.
Show threadelleJan 12, 2023
@badtux @cadenza I think we're really agreeing with each other. They're both "beautiful" and complicated and intense, to me
Show threadPamela EhnJan 12, 2023
@ElleGray @badtux I know. I was just sniping at Boulez. I am so very petty.
Show threadBadtux the Snarky PenguinJan 13, 2023
@ElleGray @cadenza I teach math (well, taught it), and write music, so obviously I know a little about both subjects and their actual relationship.
Show threadelleJan 13, 2023
@badtux @cadenza So do I
Show threadbkardellJan 11, 2023
@jyasskin oh man this is such good news, i think this means we don't need to do MusicXML now that we have MathML
Show threadHawkWolfJan 11, 2023
@ElleGray technical death metal is really, really, REALLY loud math.
Show threadSpeakerToManagersJan 11, 2023
@ElleGray
There are a shed load of good books on the mathematics of music. Here at pre a couple I recommend.
Show threadelleJan 11, 2023
@SpeakerToManagers these look great. Thank you
Show threadAdrian  Jan 11, 2023
@ElleGray If music is math, does that mean math rock and mathcore are just mathier math?
Show threadMags at LargeJan 12, 2023
@ElleGray Math & physics in action. 😉​
Show thread2xfoJan 12, 2023
@ElleGray
#Mathodon
Show threadBruce ElrickJan 12, 2023
@ElleGray This sounds like a good thing.
Show threadelleJan 12, 2023
@virtuous_sloth it IS a good thing. They both are 🙂
Show threadJbeezJan 12, 2023
@ElleGray ooo now I will think of knitting as fuzzy squishy math.
Show threadFritz AdalisJan 12, 2023
@ElleGray
Speed metal is just really loud meth.
Show threadelleJan 12, 2023
@FritzAdalis haha! This is true
Show threadAndThisIsMrsPeacock 🏳️‍🌈Jan 12, 2023
@ElleGray J. S. Bach heartily agrees
Show threadelleJan 12, 2023
@andthisismrspeacock exactly 🙂
Show threadJJ PetersonJan 12, 2023
@ElleGray that’s brilliant
Show threadelleJan 12, 2023
@JJPeterson 😊
Show threadTony “Abolish ICE” Arcieri🌹🦀Jan 12, 2023

@ElleGray “I’m the operator with my pocket calculator”

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eSBybJGZoCU

Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator

Auf YouTube findest du großartige Videos und erstklassige Musik. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder mit der ganzen Welt teilen.

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Show threadMike J👹🐀 🤘🏻Jan 12, 2023
@ElleGray You should watch some live coding as practiced by @yaxu
Show threadelleJan 12, 2023
@mikej I'll do that 🙂
Show threadMark CrockerJan 17, 2023
@mikej @ElleGray @yaxu interesting. I was expecting Sonic Pi https://sonic-pi.net/ , but unexpected is good.
Sonic Pi - The Live Coding Music Synth for Everyone

Sonic Pi is a new kind of instrument for a new generation of musicians. It is simple to learn, powerful enough for live performances and free to download.

Show threadAlex McLeanJan 17, 2023
@mcrocker @mikej @ElleGray there's a whole world out there! https://github.com/toplap/awesome-livecoding https://www.youtube.com/eulerroom
GitHub - toplap/awesome-livecoding: All things livecoding

All things livecoding. Contribute to toplap/awesome-livecoding development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Show threadPierre MasséJan 12, 2023
@ElleGray https://youtu.be/lhPWJHrwgR4
Music Is Math

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Show threadCalm, consideringJan 12, 2023
@ElleGray
And yet it's the most visceral of all the arts, at least for me it is. Which is an interesting paradox
Show threadelleJan 12, 2023
@calmconsidering maybe not a paradox 🤷‍♀️ Maybe we just think of math in the wrong way. I don't have answers, I'm just wondering. I agree that music is incredibly powerful and intense
Show threadIncident Creator ❎Jan 12, 2023
@ElleGray [Tunes his geometry and strikes a chord]
Show threadTiffany LiJan 12, 2023
@ElleGray in a sense so are humans
Show threadelleJan 12, 2023
@tiffanycli I agree. And the whole universe is very quiet math 🙂
Show threadMike Taylor 🦕Jan 12, 2023
@ElleGray Are you aware that there is a genre called math rock? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math_rock
"It is characterized by complex, atypical rhythmic structures (including irregular stopping and starting), counterpoint, odd time signatures, angular melodies, and extended, often dissonant, chords."
Math rock - Wikipedia

Show threadmosqueetoJan 12, 2023

@ElleGray Mark Twain's: "Ah, that shows you the power of music, that magician of magicians, who lifts his wand and says his mysterious word and all things real pass away and the phantoms of your mind walk before you clothed in flesh."

I like both; they have connections, but the differences between math and music are profound.

Show threadTed DunningJan 12, 2023

And math is entirely just quiet music.

@ElleGray

Show threadelleJan 12, 2023
@ted_dunning you get it 😊
Show threadPretty Gnostic MachineJan 12, 2023
@ElleGray
If that be the case, then conversely, math is mostly just really quiet music.
Show threadmrjhnsn  Jan 13, 2023

@ElleGray "Math turned into emotion, using science." as I like to say.

But I think I like "really loud math" better. 🤣🙌

Show threadBrialaJan 13, 2023
@ElleGray Applied Mathematics, if you will. :-)