@ElleGray that is the whole hypothesis of Boulez’ music, which is unlistenable. Art still has to come into play.

@cadenza @ElleGray Intuition and artistry come into play in mathematics too though. An elegant proof is not obtained through soulless mechanical manipulation. Too many people confuse arithmetic with mathematics. Arithmetic is described by mathematics but is a physical property of reality.

@badtux @cadenza I think we're really agreeing with each other. They're both "beautiful" and complicated and intense, to me

@ElleGray @cadenza I teach math (well, taught it), and write music, so obviously I know a little about both subjects and their actual relationship.