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SRD Jan 6, 2023

Did anyone see this Hallelujah paragraph in the New York Times today? Here's the part we celebrate. (Context is the current melt down of the Republican party...)

"That ideology of destruction defies characterization by traditional political labels like moderate or conservative."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/05/us/politics/republican-party-leadership.html

Did you hear that? The Times politics desk is now admitting that "conservative" is not a good name for the MAGA forces overtaking the GOP.

And it only took 12 years!

#journalism #uspolitics

Republican Party Stumbles Through the Wilderness With No Clear Leaders

With no unified agenda or clear leadership, Republicans face the prospect that the anti-establishment fervor that has powered the party in recent years could now devour it.

Edge Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu @tzimmer_history

I'm sure you've already seen this as well, but...

serklarvel Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu same process we have in Brazil with Bolsonaro and his followers. Their only aim is to destroy everything related with government.

Lady Liberty 🗽Jan 5, 2023

@serklarvel @jayrosen_nyu Putin is the cancer infiltrating and destroying #democracy all over the world.

Str8nger Jan 5, 2023

@LadyLiberty5591 @serklarvel @jayrosen_nyu and #AgentOrange & the #GOP are his best tools.

Todd Walker Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu so they use “ultraconservative” instead? 🙄

Robin Jan 5, 2023

@ToddWalker @jayrosen_nyu IDK but I’m seeing a lot of shade being thrown here “That ideology of destruction defies characterization by traditional political labels like moderate or conservative. Instead, the party has created its own complicated taxonomy of America First, MAGA and anti-Trump — descriptions that are more about political style and personal vendettas than policy disagreements.”

dansezlajavanaise Jan 5, 2023

@Chimaera @ToddWalker @jayrosen_nyu

but “America First” is not new, it has a sinister history. see Rachel Maddie’s podcast, Ultra.

Str8nger Jan 5, 2023

@dansezlajavanaise @Chimaera @ToddWalker @jayrosen_nyu indeed, it’s not a coincidence that #AgentOrange resurrected the fascist motto from the 1930’s.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.-uKXKJv9C5k7Ege0HDjoQQHaLp%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=beef8456db9412519c1d14c0fa774c44883e9153b2a8ca33eb33f544f26282a6&ipo=images

Jay Rosen Jan 5, 2023

@ToddWalker Which "they" are you referring to?

Todd Walker Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu Catie Edmondson in NYTimes: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/us/politics/kevin-mccarthy-republican-opposition.html

Who Are the Republicans Opposing McCarthy’s Speaker Bid?

The rebellion has been led by a small but vocal group of ultraconservative Republicans. But there are other, less-known defectors who could help scuttle the G.O.P. leader’s candidacy.

Lady Liberty 🗽Jan 5, 2023

@ToddWalker @jayrosen_nyu CORRECTION!!! #insurectionists

Robin Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu and The NY Times seems to be the last in line to get that memo that the GOP has no ideology left to speak of.

BurningSkies Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu It was just a slip...they'll get back to their false political equivalency momentarily. I'm not sure at this point anyone will believe they've made a change to their coverage of MAGA America.

Nancy VanDuzen 🥥🌴Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu Jay - is there any chance of 6 moderate Republicans making a stand on the madness and pulling a Sinema? Becoming independents to save democracy?

Jay Rosen Jan 5, 2023

@nancyvanduzen I have seen no indication that this is anything but a fantasy.

Nancy VanDuzen 🥥🌴Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu 😞

@jayrosen_nyu they only mean it when they actually change their style guide

Jay Rosen Jan 5, 2023

@apukwa I don't think anyone believes that this signals a change in practice. I don't.

Rather, the significance is... "we know they know."

@jayrosen_nyu fair enough

Eszter Balint Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu woohoo!! It took having a crisis amongst themselves (not trying to destroy the rest of the world) but hey whatever works. Wash post also finally woke up w a sharp headline today! (Mini Frankensteins created by Frankenstein ) hallelujah indeed.

GradientU0 Jan 5, 2023

Until that trash rag drops Maggie Haberman and her Trump fellating access journalism ways, they haven't learned shit. They are just the NRO with a different acronym.

GuitarGirl Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu Fascism seems to fit.

Bathsheba Blue Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu
Wow. Wonder if the editor who allowed that to be printed be allowed to keep their job.

Charles Taylor Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu FWIW I think I understand more fully why the GOP proposed no platform for the 2020 campaign.

Tom Richardson Ph. D.Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu The destruction caucus all call themselves conservatives. Almost all conservatives support the destruction caucus; the few who don’t like Liz Cheney are purged. If the destruction caucus agenda doesn’t match an academic definition of “conservative”, in practice, every conservative in office is helping to promote their agenda. Conservative candidates like to say they aren’t one of the crazies, but that is just an campaign pitch, in office they vote for crazy.

Wade Wainio Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu #GOP

And then the people who pushed and financed the destruction of the GOP, such as FOX and Karl Rove, are now going to be dragged kicking and screaming into admitting they are the REAL source of this buffoonery.

PeggyJoan ☮️💙🌈🐶Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu
This is good! We also need another name for MAGA Christians.

Utsav Ratti Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu You weren't asking, but the correct labels are fascism/fascists (at least, based on my interpretation of the definition found on Wikipedia on this, the 5th day of January, 2023.)

Rabbi Jill Zimmerman Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu thank God. Every time I hear the media describe these radical right wingers as “conservatives” I cringe.

Lot⁴⁹ Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu "Government is bad! Elect us to make it worse!"

nadezhda Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu The only problem is this is bylined by the JV team. It only will matter when NYT’s name-brand politics team puts their names on the acknowledgment that the MAGAts aren’t “conservative” and the left-right political space is no longer a useful way to think about the GOP.

Matt Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu I’m very excited by a Republicans in Disarray story, though I have no illusions that NYT will continue

ZZ Bottom Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu 😂

Str8nger Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu The self-fullfilling prophecy of CONservative governMENt… #RepubliCONS

chicating Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu I'd call them 'right-wing radicals' if not neofascists."

Tom Spettigue Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu i'm not sure how it isn't. they're conservative to their core. rights for them but not for others.

lolonurse Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu
Perhaps they're finally realizing that their drift over towards the right & tabloid-ism isn't going over well with people who actually read the NYT. I stopped taking them seriously quite a few years ago.

Dan Gillmor Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu Glad they finally admitted it, but you can absolutely depend on no overall shift in language in day-to-day coverage.

Zorro Notorious MEB 😡Jan 5, 2023

@dangillmor @jayrosen_nyu What's happening now in the House looks to me like a continuation of the 2020 coup conspiracy. I don't think this is a matter of how the press covers politics. It's a matter of how the people can regain control over their "Representatives".

Jay Rosen Jan 6, 2023

@dangillmor True. Sadly but consistently true.

Anglophyl Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu Glad they caught up to the ... times?

Kevin Hardiman Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu 12 years and way too many flowery words.

JWSGeek (Moving: Universeodon)Jan 5, 2023

"reactionary" was a traditional label within poly-sci circles for decades, the right-wing opposite to the left-wing "radical".

The media just refused to admit the GOP policies were that bad.

(yet they would go along with echoing statements that the left was "radical" for decades, even though "maintaining the new deal along with improving civil rights and maybe affordable health care" wasn't anything close to a "radical" policy.)

Nancy Williams Painter Jan 6, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu they're anarchists, we don't really need a new word

marktaylor Jan 5, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu This is the demise of Republicans in real time. They are in effect two parties at this point. At least in the House.

k cavaliere Jan 6, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu The New York Times surrendered its integrity for sales a long time ago. It should change its motto to "all the news that's fit to print - eventually."

Fred C. Trump (dead/deceased)Jan 6, 2023

@jayrosen_nyu a stopped clock is still right twice a day