John BullJan 5, 2023

Look. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Harry has a problem with his family then he needs to persuade the French to fund him, raise an army, invade and seize the crown.

What else was Brexit for, if not to restore traditional British approaches and values?

Show threadJohn BullJan 5, 2023

QUESTION FOR THE EXPERTS: If the French back a Harry-led invasion and seizure of the crown, then he reasserts his right to the French throne, reverse invades and restores the French monarchy in a personal union with the British one...

...does that get us back into the EU?

Show threadJohn Bull

So what I'm hearing is that the 'Reverse Harry' (not a sex move) will only work if, on seizing the French throne AFTER seizing the British one, he declares the restoration of the Angevin Empire.

That would count as a French successor state, and thus retain EU membership.

Hmmm...

Jan 5, 2023 at 10:28amWeb
Show threadThe BellmanJan 5, 2023
@garius I say: let's bring back the Plantagenets. It all went to poo after that Welsh usurper illegally seized the throne in 1485. The nation could benefit from the firm slap of the Plantagenet hand on it's flabby (metaphorical) bottom.
Show threadJohn O’DonnellJan 5, 2023
@thebellman @garius
Bring back Henry VI, or Richard II.
This country doesn’t have enough insanity at the moment.
Show thread5klp471Jan 5, 2023
@thebellman @garius
I never understood why Henry II never attacked Paris.
Show threadThe BellmanJan 5, 2023
@garius @5klp471 probably got lost on the way
Show threadSamuelJohnsonJan 5, 2023
@garius It's already agreed by treaty that NI will automatically rejoin the EU in the event of Irish reunification. The simplest solution is to extend the principle further by converting the UK to a UR (Republic) governed from Dublin or Belfast. 😋
Show threadMark MaguireJan 5, 2023
@samueljohnson @garius This. You know it makes sense.
Show threadPinkunz 🙃Jan 5, 2023

@samueljohnson @garius

Now that would be poetic irony. The isles would be united once again.

Show threadCharlie StrossJan 5, 2023

@garius Alternatively he could just move to Edinburgh, hoist the Saltire, issue a declaration that he's the heir to the SCOTTISH crown followed by revocation of the Act of Union (1707), and he's King of Scotland. At which point, reboot the Auld Alliance and offer HMNB Clyde as a base for the Force Océanique Stratégique to keep the English from invading.

(Bonus points: declare Berwick-upon-Tweed to be Scottish in perpetuity.)

/1

Show threadJohn BullJan 5, 2023
@cstross Nah. He's not stupid. That's just a good way to get murdered in a church by some B-List Scottish noble.
Show threadMartinJan 5, 2023

@garius @cstross

Only if one of his wife’s hard-as-nails friends doesn’t stick her arm through the door staples to hold it closed…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Douglas

Catherine Douglas - Wikipedia

Show threadPeter BrownJan 5, 2023
@garius @cstross we have sorted our issues with a knife crime over at the last 700 years, unlike certain English cities.
Show threadCharlie StrossJan 5, 2023

Minor problem is, support for monarchy is tenuous at best in Scotland.

Mitigating factor: Meghan hatred is mostly absent in Scotland, independence has majority support, and the SNP (who are very much the Ruling Party this decade) would probably pick up the ball and run with it.

He'd be King Henry I, unless he chose to take a traditional Scottish monarch's name (he could be Malcolm V or David III).

@garius

/2

Show threadRob SynnottJan 5, 2023
@cstross @garius Could go with a massively accelerated schedule of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_Saxe-Coburg-Gotha - simply become king for a few days, then run for PM in the newly-declared republic.
Simeon Saxe-Coburg-Gotha - Wikipedia

Show threadBlake C. StaceyJan 5, 2023
@cstross @garius This sounded completely plausible until you got to "Berwick-upon-Tweed", which is obviously a parody name, like calling a building "Hardwick Hall".
Show threadPaul CurrionJan 5, 2023
@bstacey @cstross @garius Perhaps we'd all be more comfortable if it reverted its name to "the barley farm on the border"?
Show threadBruno GirinJan 5, 2023
@garius mmm yeah but that would probably trigger revolts in Brittany, the Basque country and Burgundy at least.
Show threadnumber137Jan 5, 2023
afaia that would probably also entail a larger franco-allemanic-british unification with Harry's claim to the continental possessions of House Hanover
@garius @cstross
Show threadAlex S-VJan 5, 2023
@garius He could of course seize the French throne after the British one, release Britain as a vasal / hegemony thus retaining control of both - this should keep france and as a vasal Britain in the EU without the need to resurect old empires.... Bonus points as the French would LOVE having Britain as a vassal as well....
Show threadColinJan 5, 2023

@garius This sounds very much like you've connected the part of your brain that makes up CK3 run ideas with the part that deals with the existential horror of modern politics.

Also to make things more difficult you must do this as Norse Asatru and not start any wars.

Show threadJohn BullJan 5, 2023

@abstractcode tbh we should have flipped to "female rulers only"

then it would have gone to Anne.

Show threadColinJan 5, 2023
@garius Forced Partition would have been useful a few months ago.
Show threadarielsJan 5, 2023
@garius
How about going with something more modern? Tomorrow is January 6. Harry storms the Capitol and reverts the USA, or at least 13 Eastern states, to monarchic rule. He now invades and overruns Canada to the tune of The Star Spangled Banner.
After making French the only official language of Canada he gets French support and can invade England.
This approach is entirely risk-free: AFAICT there is controversy over whether it is even illegal to overthrow the USAian govenment on Jan 6.
Show threadPaul CurrionJan 5, 2023
@garius * (also a sex move, but one riddled with peril)
Show threadgrinJan 5, 2023
@garius you may be a little behind history though: France doesn't have a crown for a little while now.
But if most britons would marry a French citizen it would probably help the rejoining efforts.
Show threadPeter BrownJan 5, 2023

@garius I think if Harry restricted his attentions to Scotland, he would have no difficulty making a case for France and Scotland being under the same jurisdiction, since they are both subject to the treaty signed in 1295 between Scotland and France, as it provided for the future union of the two kingdoms.

Mind you, his first hurdle would be to be declared King of Scots!

Show threadToon Van de Putte 🍉Jan 6, 2023
@garius most sensible policy I've heard in a long time.
Show threadMartin HamiltonJan 6, 2023
@garius I'll just leave this here...