To start the new year, here's a super innovative kind of video, where I rank every #Linux desktop environment I tried into 5 different categories denoting how much I would be susceptible to use them.

Ok, FINE, it's a tier list.

But don't worry, it's not the "look at tier maker for 20 minutes" kind of tier list, there's some actual stuff to look at:

#opensource #tierlist

https://youtu.be/09cYQJBgKEs

Ranking Linux Desktop Environments for 2023

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@thelinuxEXP excited to learn if this gets into freako tiling wms
@vegetablegremlin @thelinuxEXP too bad it doesnt seem to be a thing for @thelinuxEXP ๐Ÿ˜… I'm between a gnome with pop os tiling extension when I get it to work (as mention in the video it breaks constantly as gnome gets updated) and qtile, which sucks in documentation but is so great in that it allows to configure powerful shortcuts as python methods.
@PierricD @thelinuxEXP ah well he got to why he didnt include em at the end of the vid and like: okay theyre not for everybody i guess and yeah theyre not "desktop environments"
@PierricD @thelinuxEXP realizing that my love of tiling WMs and custom 30% keyboards and so on probably all flow from having learned vi in the 90s
@thelinuxEXP CDE better be S tier
@mjdxp @thelinuxEXP also what's wrong in having less than 1 gigabyte of RAM and wanting to use your computer with a GUI?  

@thelinuxEXP
I always wait for the @thelinuxexperiment upload of your videos; it might not make a bit dent in our overlord's algorithm machine, but I do my best!

If Elon Musk can destroy Twitter, what would it take for YouTube and other Google products to go belly up? 

@RyuKurisu @thelinuxexperiment Quite a lot, I think. They are so much bigger and so much richer, it feels like they would have to completely miss the ยซ next new ultimate information thing ยป to fail
@thelinuxEXP
They have marked ChatGPT as a very serious threat, or so I've heard โœŒ๏ธ๐Ÿ˜
@thelinuxEXP I found that video to be really well done. I wouldn't mind another using the same format about other types of programs, like a tier list of email/PIM software, text editors, terminal emulators.
@bbbhltz Thanks! That could absolutely be the case if it does well!

@elementary Sorry :/ Thatโ€™s not to say Pantheon is bad or anything, but as per OS 6.1, most of the advantages Pantheon had over GNOME, IMO, have been caught up to or surpassed.

That said, itโ€™s not impossible that using OS 7 for the review will sway me back ๐Ÿ˜‚ Iโ€™m a sucker for some minimalismโ€ฆ

@thelinuxEXP Looking forward to showing you what weโ€™ve been working on for the last year and your impressions on where weโ€™re going. Definitely donโ€™t have any intentions to sit still ๐Ÿ˜‰
@elementary I donโ€™t doubt it! And Iโ€™m sure Iโ€™ll be pretty stoked after using it!
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@thelinuxEXP I agree. But I prefer #Cinnamon over #KDE because it looks way better imo and is less buggy and bloated. If I have few resources available and need stuff that just works, Iโ€˜d always choose #MATE.
@thelinuxEXP if Gnome was designed by @danirabbit i might switch. otherwise I don't see me abandoning pantheon any time soon. I really try to like Gnome, but my eyes somehow say otherwise. focus on touch devices is obvious. but using it on average desktop is not pleasant. Gnome might have good apps, but I can use them in elementary no problem. but saying that Mate is better? that is low even for you
@thelinuxEXP I was shocked to see where Pantheon DE ended up.

@thelinuxEXP great video, I love Pop_OS' Gnome implementation, I run it on my daily driver and I tried using Plasma on the Steam Deck, I ended up hating my experience there so badly that I'd swap Plasma immediately if I could.

KDE feels way bugger/unstable on the Deck and nowhere as polished as Gnome, not sure if it's a Deck issue or a KDE issue though

@thelinuxEXP I find vanilla Gnome (out-of-the-box) quite shocking. without a good number of extensions it is unusable for me (yes, I do think forcing terminal upon people from the start is a huge turn-off). is that what's intended? for people to start searching the web how to enable this and that? if I was a novice I would just erase that disk after 10minutes.
@lecroix74 I can use or without any extension, but it took some getting used to
@thelinuxEXP I do understand that there are people fond of vanilla Gnome workflow. but new #linux users (coming from Windows or mac) most probably will be looking for seamless adoption of new OS. arguably,this is not it. i'm not bashing Gnome here(i can make it work for me),but out-of-the-box it is not a good user experience. year of linux? ๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿผโ€โ™‚๏ธ
@thelinuxEXP running a desktop at less than 1gb idle is relevant when you're trying to do it on a node from your sponsor ๐Ÿ˜…I tried to set up a remote desktop to use decent apps from my completely locked down professional MacBook. But a 2gb node is unusable, a 4gb node just barely. And 4gb is already some budget every month for the occasional use. I ultimately gave it up. Now i have a new home server with proxmox and soon I'll upgrade the ram so will do that in-house!
@thelinuxEXP gibt es bereits ein Video รผber deine favorisierten Apps unter Gnome? ๐Ÿค”

@thelinuxEXP Literally 2 hours after I put my tier list video on Odysee?!

Man, I should have edited my video a lot faster, or a lot slower.

Also, I need to get my thumbnail game better, yours look much better than mine.

@nicemicro Thatโ€™s the beauty with tier lists: every one of them will be different!
@thelinuxEXP great video! but Gnome is the best for me ๐Ÿ˜
@thelinuxEXP Time for me to go downstairs and book OpenSuSE. Have loved KDE, even 4 was halfway decent at the end.
@thelinuxEXP i'm happy to see we both outgrew elementaryOS/pantheon together, Nick ๐Ÿ˜‚ just like u i believe, we're still a fan of them at heart and are rooting for them to grow n get better, but for a few months now, the EndeavourOS + KDE Plasma combo was what made and allowed me to dump Windows entirely for all my computers :D
@thelinuxEXP I was surprised to see that you chose to label an environment as good even if it did not have proper Wayland support in place.
@thelinuxEXP great video. I have been playing with swapping to kde but the virtual desktop support on gnome is so much better. I know there are scripts to emulate similar functionally on kde, but I've tried it and it doesn't work as well as gnome's default importation.
@thelinuxEXP Indeed a pity for pantheon/elementary. Still i use it in an offline external disk and is so nice n fast.
I would disagree about budgie: it is visually by far better than gnome, fonts and looks are superb, more focused for simple users and w/o the mess of extensions and tweaks. And with endeavour it gets better (however i do like Solus a lot).
And a last word for xfce: assuming there will be a consolidation at some point (kde, gnome, cosmic ???), xfce will always be the survivor.

@sotiry The look of budgie can be replicated in GNOME in minutes, though, thatโ€™s not really a big reason for it to gain points in that ranking ;)

As per XFCE, I think it will always have fans and users, because it basically does something no one else is doing, which is being full featured and low on resources. Well, MATE is also doing that, but XFCE has been around for longer

@thelinuxEXP I always feel like this is an unpopular opinion/maybe I'm missing something, but KDE always seems noticeably less modern/sleek compared to Gnome... Is this me just seeing things wrong? Are there good themes out there?

@thelinuxEXP Just to comment on your coverage of Budgie as one of the developers: we haven't been sitting idle since Josh left Solus, there's actually been a lot of activity. We put out five releases last yearโ€”one minor and four patchโ€”and have a big new release coming before the end of January. I'd suggest checking out the blog at https://blog.buddiesofbudgie.org, especially the year in review that was posted on the 1st.

Also, Ubuntu Budgie is pretty different from the stock experience :)

Buddies Of Budgie

Official blog of the Buddies of Budgie organization and Budgie Desktop environment

Buddies Of Budgie
@serebit Thanks for letting me know! I must have missed that!!
@thelinuxEXP No problem! And just to clarify the UB point: Budgie explicitly supports distros doing their own thing with Budgie's layout and config, but when UB is the only one shown, it's easy for viewers to think that UB's Budgie config is what Budgie normally looks like. Solus and EndeavourOS, and eventually the Fedora Budgie spin releasing with 38, are much closer to "stock" Budgie, and I would recommend showing one of them alongside UB to give a clearer picture of what Budgie is all about.
@serebit @thelinuxEXP Endeavous OS does not provide a live environment with Budgie Desktop, their live env is XFCE, so unless Nick happens to have an install around, it's likely either old A-roll from past videos or new A-roll from a live environment. In the case of Solus, unless you are using old hardware you won't even be able to boot it up.

@serebit @thelinuxEXP So it's a lose-lose situation. Either it gets shown with UB, which isn't representative, or there is enough hoops that one has to jump through that is just reinforces the point.

The fundamental point of information not being accurate isn't going to be changed by whether or not UB is shown, rather the indication of no activity is not accurate given the blog posts.

@JoshStrobl @serebit To be fair, I didnโ€™t say nothing happened, rather that nothing major seems to have been added while work is ongoing on the new version. Then again, I had missed the blog posts and should have checked beforehand.

As per UB, it was footage I had, and reused, but it will be easier to show a ยซ pure ยป budgie version when the official Fedora spin is out!

@JoshStrobl @thelinuxEXP Yeah, a VM would likely be necessaryโ€”or, if you don't want to jump through too many hoops, there are screenshots on the blog and GitHub that show the more traditional default layout. You can also switch the layout in UB via presets, and I believe the "traditional" option is the one that aligns with the default settings.
@thelinuxEXP that was a really awesome new take on the whole tier list. It was definitely a breath of freshness.