Adi RobertsonAlways a good day for the NYT when it can publish a technology take that gives me a spontaneous eyelid twitch. https://twitter.com/kurtopsahl/status/1608187446151512065
Encrypted messaging might feel like an “extreme” conception of privacy until you consider the vast number of things we once did in surveillance-resistant private settings that now routinely take place online. It’s like complaining people are allowed to buy homes without hidden microphones because they might plan crimes in them.
Chris Brown@thedextriarchy *sigh* Tired of NYT terrible takes. First, many of the users adopting Signal and (even WhatsApp at one point *gross*) was because of the point of having or the promise to have end to end encryption in a trust less way. Second, it is not the fault of Signal that a “wire tap” (outdated term, and was originally for voice communications) doesn’t provide full OS access to read the decrypted content on the client side. This is an argument for creating security holes and risks through the manufacturers themselves. Third, Privacy is a right, nothing to hide is a piss poor narrative that was pushed aggressively to the point of gaslighting the typical American to justify the invasion the Patriot Act brought.
We can’t continue to call for transparency from our governments yet still think it’s okay to allow them to secretly acquire/invade their citizen’s data/privacy.
They have warrants that can be achieved to clone phones or receive physical access. Biometrics aren’t protected, pins/passcodes are, complaining that people exercise their rights is not the correct take. Never was. Never will be.
We can’t continue to call for transparency from our governments yet still think it’s okay to allow them to secretly acquire/invade their citizen’s data/privacy.
They have warrants that can be achieved to clone phones or receive physical access. Biometrics aren’t protected, pins/passcodes are, complaining that people exercise their rights is not the correct take. Never was. Never will be.
Anthony DiPierro@thedextriarchy Surprising that Mastodon doesn’t offer E2E for DMs.
@anthony I saw (on Twitter, ha) that it’s on the features roadmap, but I imagine there’s a lot going on right now.
Natanael ⚠️@anthony @thedextriarchy it's complicated, Mastodon needs to work on the web and that makes key management very very hard.
Steven Capsuto - Translator@thedextriarchy In the 2000s, I tried to get my freelance clients to let me deliver all documents to them through secure FTP or at least as passworded email attachments (I would give them the passwords by phone). They hated it and I eventually had to stop hammering them about data security, but it was uncomfortable for me, coming from an IT job where I had managed servers.
HandgunYoga (he/him/his)@thedextriarchy @linguacaps
I just read here yesterday, “Security at the expense of Usability comes at the expense of Security.”
I just read here yesterday, “Security at the expense of Usability comes at the expense of Security.”
Jason ON@linguacaps @thedextriarchy Having also worked in infosec, when I volunteered for the 2016 Bernie campaign and came upon all these staffers and volunteers just passing around passwords will-nilly for all the computers with access to all information.
Martin Vermeer FCD@thedextriarchy Or like banning curtains, or criminalizing closing them.
Kay4BlueTexas@thedextriarchy Is end to end being discussed? Or just endpoint?
@KayNelson As of April it was E2E https://twitter.com/joinmastodon/status/1518748883702226944
Mastodon (@[email protected]) on Twitter
“@Xarallei We've been planning on adding end-to-end encrypted messages to the platform for a while now. It's coming.”
Archie@thedextriarchy If you've got a virtual assistant in your house the microphone is already there!
Kushal Dave@thedextriarchy I get this philosophically but would love to read a vision of how law enforcement happens in an e2e world. Is it just on-device surveillance? It's been hard to see past the noise from folks claiming there is no such thing as legitimate surveillance.
"Nurture-boy" Ric Flair@krave
They get a warrant from a judge to seize and examine devices, or in some cases they may get a warrant from a judge to place spyware on a device.
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They get a warrant from a judge to seize and examine devices, or in some cases they may get a warrant from a judge to place spyware on a device.
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@krave @thedextriarchy it happens like it did before electronics. Seizing physical documents, infiltration, targeted surveillance.
just adrienne@krave @thedextriarchy ACAB, HTH!
Fat_Al_NYC@thedextriarchy Or how about regulating the sale of paper and pens because you might write something down and have it in your home, or hand it to a friend to take to their home, and then you or they might decide to burn or otherwise destroy it, and nobody will ever be able to know what it said! Maybe it was bad...
Frankie Saxx@thedextriarchy
Nobody needs to argue against buying homes without hidden microphones because we constantly carry a microphone around with us and willingly install them in our houses ourselves
"Hey Alexa, how many of my smart devices have a microphone?"
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Anton ☮️🚂@thedextriarchy facial recognition and lisence plate reading is the norm now
Kagan MacTane (he/him)@thedextriarchy Reminds me of something I wrote ages ago, during a previous round of FBI whining about citizens having encryption on our phones... https://kagan.mactane.org/blog/2016/04/04/things-that-are-immune-to-warrants/
Brian Walsh@thedextriarchy @hacks4pancakes
I’m reminded of J Edgar Hoover and the Motel Menace.
"a new home of crime in America, a new home of disease, bribery, corruption, crookedness, rape, white slavery, thievery and murder."
Exposing the “Motel Menace” - Society for Commercial Archeology
FULL ARTICLE by Lyell Henry – The tourist camps that had at first been hailed as delightful expressions of American character and genius now were as likely to be viewed as hotbeds of sordidness and immorality, even as “Camps of Crime,” said J. Edgar Hoover.
Michael@thedextriarchy Love your house analogy
SocialistStan@thedextriarchy Saying there must be a microphone in every house is like something Bezos would do...oh, wait a minute
SSFC KDT (MOVED)@thedextriarchy I dunno, 45 MHz cordless phones were a thing.
War on the Castle, Peace in the Valley🛡️🍉🇵🇸 🏳️🌈 🇺🇦@thedextriarchy
SZelf-revealed: I plopped down the money for paid #protonmail in part to support them and in part so my multiple accounts are on the edge of a TOS viol anyway. They know that and that I know they know that and they are nice enough not to lock those accounts but it seems wise to pay it forward.
SZelf-revealed: I plopped down the money for paid #protonmail in part to support them and in part so my multiple accounts are on the edge of a TOS viol anyway. They know that and that I know they know that and they are nice enough not to lock those accounts but it seems wise to pay it forward.
friend-shaped entity@thedextriarchy with HTTPS finally essentially seeing complete adoption as a defacto standard, its really inexcusable for people not to comprehend why comms ought to have similar if not superior protections.
we hand out credit card numbers and the last four of our SSN over the phone for “account security,” thinking nothing of it. that channel is weakly protected at best and usually breakable.
doesn’t make any sense to me how the existence of a small percentage of bad actors can convince so many people that their personal security is worth giving up. i gotta imagine they’re just brainpoisoned by politics enough to not let these realities sink in.