Dubi is here 
Can't stop thinking about this person who made the distinction on TikTok between old school social media for being in touch with your friends and making new ones, and "performative" social media where the point is to reach people you don't know.
I think some of the friction between OG mastodonians and the #twitterExodus is that the former were trying to recreate old school, but the latter are coming for performative and angry that it's not built for that
Dec 26, 2022 at 1:27pmWeb
Show threadWalkerDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan
I see no problem --
if the "Fediverse" doesn't suit one's requirements, seek another format 🐘
Show threadDubi is here Dec 26, 2022
@Papablue sure, but Mastodon is being pushed as a twitter alternative, with some even arguing it's the ethical thing to do to ditch Elon's nest for mastodon, while ignoring the differences between them.
Show threadWalkerDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan
you can lead a horse to water, but
you can't make them drink πŸ’§
I very much like the "many villages" (instances) linked together concept ...
as I was leaving "twitter" many were considering "Post news"
we create our "timeline" here 🐘
marvelous 🎢
🐦 "twitter" is now become another extension of the G🐽P propaganda network πŸ‘Š πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έβš–οΈ
Show threadNadav Perez-VaisvidovskyDec 26, 2022

@Dubikan @Papablue a friend who is a book publisher talked to me about it. She uses Twitter both to publish her books and to maintain personal connections.

We had to sadly agree that Mastodon isn't good for her, as the ability to promote her books here is nearly non-existent.

Show threadDubi is here Dec 26, 2022
@NadavPV @Papablue but if twitter ends up just people trying to push something talking with nobody listening, twitter would be no good for anyone, or it would end up a shitty platform for customer service. The "selling" function is parasitic on other functions (unlike the activism function, that is interactive anyway).
Show threadWalkerDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan @NadavPV
"the bird place 🐦" is done πŸ‘Ž
stick a fork in it ...
only weeks away from being an extension of "truth social" ,... a festering nest of lying traitors πŸ‘ŠπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έβš–οΈ
Show threadWalkerDec 26, 2022
@NadavPV @Dubikan
"non - existent" seems a bit exaggerated ...
would depend on ones digital marketing skills
πŸ€”
however, other options should certainly be explored βœŒοΈπŸ•ΆοΈ
Show threadΧ—Χ ΧŸ Χ›Χ”ΧŸ β€’ Hanan CohenDec 26, 2022

@NadavPV @Dubikan @Papablue

For many people, Twitter is their storefront. The soapbox they stand on and announce their merchandise that everybody how pass by can hear them and talk to them. Dismantling Twitter to separate networks is a real problem for them.

I feel for our friend, the book publisher. I don't care for the politicians.

Show threadHaranDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan I feel like Twitter was pretty successful for doing both at the same time, at least for me. I wonder if Mastodon can do the same and if it's even desirable.
Show threadDubi is here Dec 26, 2022
@haranmi I'm starting to think it was the mashing of these two functions that made it so icky for many in its later stages, even before #Voldemusk
Show threadTim JDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan I'm tempted to characterise it as social media versus antisocial media . . . I hope the people wanting to recreate the performative version here never get their way, anyway. Or if they do, that it takes the form of having their own instances that are set up that way and everyone else can decide whether they want anything to do with those depending on what behaviour results.
Show threadTim JDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan I suppose they'd just need an interface where they saw "a quote toot" and everyone else saw a toot with a link. Most likely, we'd get annoyed with the proliferation of those and avoid following people who did it too much. Some do seem really obsessed with it, unfortunately.
Show threadDubi is here Dec 26, 2022
@timtfj i think its just a different kind of socializing. Also, I'd be very wary of any categorization that leaves me on the "pro-social" side...
Show threadLΔ«gaDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan @timtfj or define Mastodon as social networking, as opposed to Twitter's commercial social media.
Show threadDubi is here Dec 26, 2022
@Liga @timtfj eek, that makes it sound like LinkedIn
Show threadTim JDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan @Liga My experience of LinkedIn is limited to a spate of spammy emails from them a few years ago nagging me to join so people from Twitter who I barely knew could "connect with me". That was enough to put me off, really.
Show threadLΔ«gaDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan @timtfj lmao not really we always called non- commercial social networking.
Show threadTim JDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan I suppose it depends a bit what the "reaching as many as possible" is used for. If you sit on a stage and play a Mahler symphony it's nice when people clap at the end, and it's good chatting in the bar afterwards about how it went, and everyone had a great time, but was performing socialising? It feels more like performing a demanding but satisfying task.
Show threadTim JDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan And of course it's not antisocial to put on a concert which people come and listen to. But it would be antisocial to do it somewhere that other people wanted to chat quietly rather than in a concert venue.
Show threadgrinDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan how is it "social" anyway? It has a good old name called "broadcast media" (or "video whores", depending on context and tastes).
Show threadDubi is here Dec 26, 2022
@grin it's social because of its virality and lack of a centralized hub of information (notwithstanding the technical infrastructure). People socialize in different ways - I socialize with a few friends in someone's home. There are people who prefer socializing with hundreds of people at a dance party. To each their own, no need for name calling.
Show threadgrinDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan is Youtube a "social network"? Is Flickr a "social network"? Is any blog with a comment section a "social network"?
Show threadTim JDec 26, 2022
@grin @Dubikan Before about 2010 we talked on Twitter about some people just "broadcasting", and those accounts tended to be looked down on as I remember. They mostly weren't worth following as they didn't reply to anything.
Show threadgrinDec 26, 2022
@timtfj @Dubikan I agree that _interactivity_ is the key, and I am not sure there could be real interactivity between a broadcaster and 1 million viewers (especially when it's managed by the "marketing team").
Show threadNadav Perez-VaisvidovskyDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan the #TwitterMigration makes me understand to what extent my #Twitter experience was, using a chronological timeline, different from other people who used the algorithmic one. I think it's a difference along the same lines.
Show threadDubi is here Dec 26, 2022
@NadavPV ikr? It took me time to even understand what all these people are talking about. Didn't realize people were actually using the algorithmic feed!
Show threadJohn Spounias  Dec 26, 2022
@Dubikan it is built for that, but they have to change the act. And that is hard.
Show threadDubi is here Dec 26, 2022
@d3cline how do you mean?
Show threadJohn Spounias  Dec 26, 2022
@Dubikan ActivityPub is a communication protocol, and its great for business. It has better moderation tools, so a brand or influencer, or whoever (all the same thing) can't use that 'viral' dopamine hit crap, it has to be on a deeper level. But this is good for the brand and for the consumer. There is no AI to pay off here. So each broadcast has equal opportunity. Commerce is here, its just new commerce. Performance is here, its just new. Has to provide real value, not dopamine.
Show threadDubi is here Dec 26, 2022
@d3cline not sure I agree. Commerce needs the ability to be "discovered" by somebody who's not looking for you (eg. ads), and mastodon, as currently designed, deliberately limits that. It's not built into ActivityPub, but it is into the way mastodon implements it. Consider just the use case of finding people talking about my product so I cam respond/boost. No search means I can't engage unless they directly engage me.
Show threadJohn Spounias  Dec 26, 2022

@Dubikan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e028-gptLuw

I sell stuff.

Want to Deliver 57 Cars a Month? Impossible if You don't change...

YouTube
Show threadDubi is here Dec 26, 2022
@d3cline ummm... Ok... So?
Show threadJohn Spounias  Dec 26, 2022
@Dubikan 🀣 discoverability is word of mouth. Word of mouth is just being a solid business person. Being helpful, providing more value to the community beyond a broadcasted tailored message. Beyond dopamine hits and instant gratification. The old models all used an AI system to trigger these things. Here what triggers the reward mechanism is a bit harder, but it is a bigger reward. The open nature of the protocol makes cost of iteration much cheaper.
Show threadJohn Spounias  Dec 26, 2022
@Dubikan another word for 'influencer' is 'brand ambassador' or 'advertiser', the whole concept was invented by guys like Mark Cuban. It was a cool model, its ran its course. And evolution will move them here or they will die in the SPAM bin. What you are calling an 'ad' is simply a way to iterate seed marketing. I am doing that now, in your thread here. The second half is well why do i want to go down the funnel more, that is brand awareness and community interaction, value add. Same stuff, new
Show threadΧ©Χ™ Χ‘Χ¨Χ’Χ¨   Shai BergerDec 26, 2022
@Dubikan A big part of why I liked Twitter was the ability to receive, not just broadcast.
The Fediverse has yet to provide me with some reps of positions I don't agree with.
I'm sure it can -- I mean, I'm sure there are some right-sided instances which aren't blocked on my home server, for example; they can't all be alt-right instances -- but it seems like I'd have to actively search for it, not just seize opportunities.