Judd Legum
More lies from the dynamic duo, Elon and Glenn
Dec 18, 2022 at 12:01amWeb
Show threadJudd LegumDec 18, 2022

Some people support free speech

Some people claim to be free speech absolutists, then buy Twitter for $44 billion and start banning journalists

Some people claim to be free speech champions, and then deflect criticism of an authoritarian billionaire silencing journalists

Show threadPeter PrincipleDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum You've taken subtooting to new level there.
Show thread🤖 The Droid EngineerDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum First, the "censorship" being compared here is between a whimsical, kneejerk reactionary billionaire who rules by dictatorial fiat and that of a serious-minded, inclusive group who debated these complex issues in good faith. Second, if right-wingers *do* get banned at higher rates it's because they spew hate-speech, violent rhetoric, misinformation during a pandemic, threats, and intimidation at higher rates. #twitter #musk #censorship #falsebalance
Show threadSaeedDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum its double speak.
Show threadMauraDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum
Bingo
Show threadAmit SerperDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum
FORCED to buy Twitter.
Show threadAgoraDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum some people refuse to learn from history. It's all been BS FROM THE BEGINNING!!!
You should have all called out this BS FROM THE BEGINNING!!!
Show threadBrian GrinterDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum @micahflee Elonito Muskolini
Show threadAnkerDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum but money (dripping sarcasm)
Show threadJenXDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum Are you tweeting this same call-out on Twitter, or just here where they can’t even see it?
Show threadNanaKimDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum More like gruesome twosome.
Show threadSailorJDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum I agree and concur
Show threadBellison22Dec 18, 2022
@juddlegum Glenn sucks. There is no surprise here.
Show threadAngelo'Dec 18, 2022
@juddlegum so sad to see a guy did the revelations with Snowden end up like this. Hopefully one day he will wake up an realise
Show threadJDDec 18, 2022
@4f_koultouras @juddlegum funny how Snowden never reports on anything about Russian IC though huh?
Show threadAngelo'Dec 18, 2022

@jag0325 He was meant to go to Ecuador but obviously US wouldn't allow that. They even grounded Evo Morales's private jet in Austria, thinking he was in there. Very true on your point, but lets not forget Russia was his last resort for freedom, else he might have ended up like Aaron Swartz. 🫤

@juddlegum

Show threadCarpInSanDiegoDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum
I will go to my grave believing with every bone in my body, that billionaires shouldn't exist.
Show threadhopeless wandererDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum if glen had any self awareness he'd be looking far deeper at himself right now
Show threadPeter PrincipleDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum This Sanctimonious Libertarians for Fascism movement is an interesting development.
Show threadCompuguy 🐱Dec 18, 2022
@juddlegum I see the Elon Twitter echo chamber is firing on all cylinders....🙄
Show threadSonuDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum What do you expect from them?
Show threadAshwin BaindurDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum there have been liberals / democrats I seem to recall who wanted to ban Trump and other Republicans, because their views were very offensive to them. 🤔
Show threadMartinDec 18, 2022
@ashwin_baindur @juddlegum there still is a difference between views/opinion and false claims/call to aggression.
Even when the intention for false claims has a wide spectrum from misunderstanding over convinient misleading simplification to straight out lies.
Show threadAshwin BaindurDec 18, 2022
@tuxwurst @juddlegum The point I am making is more general and yes, there are enough on the liberal side as well who don't present the nuance you mentioned.
Show threadJohn BreenDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum What I'm most "struck" by is that there is no discussion of the quality of the "ideas" being expressed. The discussion is "meta", in the sense that we have been tricked into debating "everyone should be free to say anything they want with no consequences, unless Elon says no" instead of "bad, dangerous, nazi filth has no place in our public discourse, and is to be shunned".
Show threadHalf Cocked LawDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum I see the free speech absolutists are at it again.
Show threadJDDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum Greenwald would NEVER leave twitter. A big part of his defenders and followers are MAGA people now. He’s in it for the ego stroking.
Show threadKeef86Dec 18, 2022
@juddlegum
Glenn loves billionaire sugar daddies
Show threadAris TeonDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum when I see the name Glenn Greenwald I don't even bother to read any further anymore
Show threadErnie SmithDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum I think they mistake a desire for safety as a desire for censorship. The problem is, what’s seen as unsafe by many is extremist political language.
Show threadVirginia HeffernanDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum Glenn is wordy fellow
Show threadUnabogie has voted Kamala!Dec 18, 2022

@virginiaheffernan @juddlegum

If 500 words is good, then 5000 words is better!!!

Show threadwilliam.maggosDec 18, 2022

@juddlegum

Glenn did put out this video recognizing that Elon is full of shit. I don't understand why this hasn't led to him joining and supporting Mastodon though. All my favorite dissidents seem to be the least likely to even mention it, and then only in a negative light. It really fucks with me.

https://youtu.be/4xiMObRySis

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Show threadMark HarrisDec 18, 2022

@juddlegum All out of fucks to give for those two.

Hey, Judd, you need to start using alt text on your images. I mean, you should have been over on the birdsite, but here it's a rule on most instances such that your profile could get suspended. It's also the right thing to do.

Show threadDeckerDec 18, 2022

@juddlegum

Glenn is insufferable. His gyroscope is unaffected by gravity or physics and wavers insistently in circles around whatever is best in that instant for him.

Show threadvibhor 🍑 🏳️‍🌈Dec 18, 2022
@juddlegum wondering why the right wing thinks that enabling fascists to spew venom is freedom of speech while censoring the marginalised 🦊
Show threadTylerJWhitDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum I am firmly against giving people who incite violence and jeopardize democracy a platform to spread their vitriol.
Show threadGoon DocksDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum there is also nothing hypocritical in believing in moderation that bans nazis and hate speech while also believing banning journalists for posting news is bad. But honestly, I don't care. I'm no longer a user.
Show threadKerploppusDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum Well, this is a delightful thing to throw in the face of those who keep insisting that Greenwald is a "journalist" of any stripe and not, in fact, a pro-Russia propagandist.
Show threadpirate-spaceshipDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum wait, did he just admit to silencing journalists? XD
Show threadMonsieur Valentine 🇺🇦Dec 18, 2022
@juddlegum Elno and Glem, dynamic duo
Show threadKhoonezDec 18, 2022

@juddlegum Why doesn't Glen get this this?

It's fine to ban people for misgendering or criticism of vaccine mandates etc because it's for the greater good. Banning journalists from authoritative, reputable sources like NYT and CCN however is absolutely fascist and should be stopped immediately.

Show threadJeroen BaertDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum I stopped reading after "I have never seen an orgy"
Show threadMacLemonDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum @OCRbot
Show threadOCR BotDec 18, 2022

@MacLemon
Image 1:
Glenn Greenwald @​ @​ggreenwald - Dec 16

I've never seen an orgy of hypocrisy quite as brazen as how the exact same
media corporations and journalists who spent years demanding more Big
Tech censorship turned “overnight* into free speech champions: because
now it's their friends being silenced rather than their enemies.

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@​elonmusk
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4:09 AM - Dec 17, 2022

Image 2:
Judd Legum @​
@​JuddLegum

1. I'm going to continue to think about it, but my
instinct is that a permanent ban on Trump is really not
the answer to the fundamental problems of Facebook,
Twitter and other social networks.

4:55 PM - Jan 7, 2021

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2. Banning Trump is dramatic and simple, but what's really needed is a
more fundamental look as to why far-right conspiracy theories and
misinformation dominate these platforms.

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Trump effectively exploits this, but if you take Trump away, the problems
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Judd Legum @​ @​JuddLegum - Jan 7, 2021

3. I think it's a similar dynamic with how the platforms reacted to the
Hunter Biden story. Most of the time they do nothing. But then when they
decide to act, it's clumsy and overbroad.

We need a healthy information ecosystem.

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Show threadRyan Germann Dec 18, 2022
@juddlegum at least Elon doesn't deny "silencing journalists" even though the accusation of hypocrisy is a false equivalence.
Show threadAgoraDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum I thought we all hated Nazis. I didn’t know they were Glen’s and Elon’s friends.
Show threadVixeliaDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum I'd rather give $8 to a Nigerian scammer with no sm platform than give it to that's sociopath.
Show threadLukpDec 18, 2022
@juddlegum the inside job of ALL inside jobs.