“I couldn't really imagine, what it's like to not imagine…” 

PHOTOREALISTIC IMAGINATION - APHANTASIA - HYPERPHANTASIA

Imagine…rather picture.. no, visualize a place in your m.....

What if none of these were an option for your brain?  No going to your happy place, where the flowers are in bloom and the tea is hot?  No being comforted by the golden sunset on the beach, or the vista from atop the mountain in your minds eye.  Yes, “I couldn't really imagine what it's like to not imagine…”

The experience of those that live with Aphantasia, can be accompanied by memory issues and difficulty remembering faces. This is not to say, that these individuals cannot retain information, or remember intricate detail.  When giving descriptions, people with Aphantasian will often cite detailed facts and data, rather than using imagery. Many are likely to be introverted, as well.

Some information on Aphantasia, dates back to the1880s but, there hasn’t been a lot of attention on the subject until recent years. The brain’s cerebral cortex is thought to function differently, causing interference with mental visualization. One view on Aphantasia considers, it may only be a different way of thinking; suggesting the Neurodivergent, rather than the neurological.

With Hyperphantasia, some people experience powerful imagery generation within the mind; or being said to have “Photorealistic Imagination”.

"Typically, individuals with hyper-imagination are able to construct imagery that is beyond detailed and brightly outlined—resulting in some individuals having the capability even to experience a 360-degree vision.."

Paul Deretskiy

The contrast between Aphantasia and Hyperphantasia, is just another fascinating reflection of the human mind.  The links below are definitely a rabbit hole worth exploring. It seems I may know a bit about photorealistic imagery, as well as little more about myself.   Imagining what one with Aphantasia may experience, I’m at a loss...

I imagine it may feel… like “being blind in your mind”.  I couldn’t imagine, “what it’s like not to imagine”.

"Brain" Artwork below by John Hain: Buy him a cup?

https://pixabay.com/images/id-1000062/

Paul Deretskiy’s piece:
https://memoryos.com/article/hyperphantasia-revealing-the-truth-about-photorealistic-imagination

Photorealistic  Imagination:
https://www.magneticmemorymethod.com/hyperphantasia/

Aphantasia:
https://www.stemata.org/blog/what-is-the-loss-of-the-minds-eye-or-aphantasia

UK Aphantasia discussion:
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-34039054

When you are blind in your mind:
https://www.verywellmind.com/aphantasia-overview-4178710

What is Aphantasia:
https://aphantasia.com/what-is-aphantasia/

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I wrote a blog post on my personal experience of aphantasia, shortly after realising that I didn’t see things quite the way most other people did

https://transponderings.blog/2018/11/28/a-fantasia-on-aphantasia/

#aphantasia

A fantasia on aphantasia

Once again, I interrupt my as-yet-still-untitled long-form story to bring you a personal blog post. This one’s not quite an ‘unpost’ but might nevertheless be a bit on the rambly and ill-formed sid…

transponderings

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#aphantasia
#hyperphasia

@transponderings

Hi Anna

I reposted/favourited your toot a few days ago, but today reading on, began to think it was people like photographers and film makers who would probably be at the hyperfantasical (?) end of the spectrum, if it is a spectrum.

I'm interested in photography, film, filmmaking and script writing. I think it plays a part in those.

Photography and filmmaking are the more obviously explainable, but write scripts/screenplays perhaps not so.

@excog @transponderings the Aphantasia Network have shared some really good articles on creatives in the film / animation industries and also artists who are aphants over the past year (on the bird site) but I’ll see if I can find them on the website and post them later. A few #AuDHD folk I know are #hyperphantasic and talk about the whole movie playing in their mind with pictures and sound !! Blows my mind. I can’t see or hear anything or anyone.

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#aphantasia
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@dizzy @transponderings

It's a new area for me. I've just been tippy-typing this morning fleshing out aphantastic [?] & hyperphantastic [?] characters in my latest script.

I'm red-green colour blind, so missing a whole colour world out there, so this topic immediately interesting to me.

@transponderings I’ve just skimmed your blog post on aphantasia and will come back with a fuller response later but so much resonates with me. I only discovered I’m aphantasic in across all senses two years ago when I was late-discovered adhd and got frustrated with ‘picture a …’ in a therapy session. Fast forward another year and I’m #AuDHD and aphantasia fascinates me. Thanks for articulating your story so well.

@transponderings Thank you for the fascinating insights. From your blog post questions: yes, I have the ability to visualize. But I do question if it works the same way in everyone.

My mother and my partner both have a "decorator's eye." They can visualize a room with new paint and furnishing, and in detail. My mother got into real estate and the profession is devoted to helping people "see themselves" in a different house.

I'd watch those real estate shows with my mother where they tried to make the home as bland and UNpersonal as possible. My mother confirmed that the overwhelming percentage of people could NOT "visualze" this new home with their stuff in it. Which is why I believe it's actually kind of rare to have a Mind's Eye good enough to work at the levels practiced by my mother and partner.

For most people, this ability is there, but it doesn't work well enough for house sellers to skip the "make it bland and boring" part. Because I would watch while people walked into a room and say things like, "I don't like that bedspread." And my reaction is, "Why are you even looking at it, it will be in a truck to somewhere else. Look at the BONES of the room and see your colors… your bedspread…"

My mother confirmed, "They can't do it. They make model homes because people have trouble visualizing furniture in an empty room, they have tools to actually change the furniture and colors in a room on the computer, and people still have trouble making these transitions. Sure, buying a house is complicated and expensive, but they don't know what they want without that feeling they could live here, and that's not always possible in their own head."

Because if it were actually common — at that level of useful adaptive visualization — the entire real estate industry would work as though everyone has the ability at the same level.

And the industry does not.

@brainpilgrim There are certainly degrees of ability to visualise, on a scale from aphantasia to hyperphantasia

But I wonder whether some of those people who fail to imagine themselves living somewhere *could* actually do the visualisation if they had the ‘cognitive imagination’ (for want of a better term) to place their furnishings in the room, or if they were prompted to do so by someone else – or perhaps they would need to close their eyes 🤔

@transponderings I absolutely think most people could be better trained, and thus, better at a skill with many useful permutations.

Instead, an oppressive society operates by assuming a level of functioning without evidence or investigation. Then it's up to an untrained person, rarely told the whole truth, to pretend or truncate themselves to fit.

Or, how to say I was raised in the Deep South without saying it.🤣

@transponderings My experiments with photo filters has convinced me that I don't see things the same way. Hyper-reality work speaks to me.

@transponderings our daughter's language tutor has #aphantasia, and she is first person in my entire life that I have spoken with in person about it. ♥️💔

It's surreal realizing lots of other people have it even if it's very rare and, of course, many of us experience / manifest it in quite different ways.

Thank-you for writing about this!


@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice

500 chrs.?

Do you know something we do not?

@excog
Elon Musk would say,
"That will be $8"...
The profile bio and pinned hashtags list explains...
It's 10,000 characters.
@excog
On this server "kolektiva.social", it's 10,000. Better than Ice cream.

😎

@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice

Well I never.

Been priding myself on using exactly 500 in every toot. 10,000...that is never going to happen. Or has it already? Did someone get a jammed key and done 10k Ys already?

@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice How might one be diagnosed w/ this? What do they do to test for it? I have face & location blindness & I can only half imagine half of the time. But can I say I have this if I can vaguely imagine? There are very rare times I can imagine in great detail, but everytime I imagine anything it's not realistic. It always looks more like a cartoon or 3d game and I can't fit much detail into an imagined scene. Its like it renders only the small part im focusing on.
@IshidaSado
Thank you sharing this.
The last link on the post is a FAQ with your very questions.
I hope you find it helpful.
@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice I am aphantasic, have been all my life, and my wife's hyperphantasic.
@LilyCamille
I'm glad you.liked. Nice to hear feedback from people with interest.🙏

@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice Thank you for this 🥰

I didn't realise I had aphantasia until watching a video by JamieRightMeow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewsGmhAjjjI

Honestly, I didn't realise that others can actually visualise things with their eyes closed!!!

I have APHANTASIA (and you may too...without realising it!)

YouTube

@SleepyCatten
Wow. Thank you! 🙏 I love hearing from others. This video is great.

You are not the Evie in the piece I wrote tonight, are you? That would be too wild.

@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice Not as far as I know 😅 Unless you've taken the info entirely from my social media stuff 🤣
@SleepyCatten
I had to ask😊.
I'm honored that you chose to follow. Enjoy the rabbit hole profiles into my mind.

@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice It's always a pleasure to get an insight into how someone else's mind works 🥰

Be careful delving too much into mine! As a friend of mine once said, "Your mind is a lovely place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there!" 🤣

@SleepyCatten
I might say the same to you about me. I don't scare easy. Evie. 🙃
@SleepyCatten
Always nice to have friends visit one's mind. Bring your by anytime. I'm sure it's not so bad in there.😀
@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice love this, I very likely have aphantasia (I don't know if there's a diagnosis involved to claim it) and I often have fun conversations with the filthy shape rotators in my life about it.
@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice
This is really interesting.
At first when I was reading what you were describing I was identifying the feeling of knowing I don't perceive social interactions the same as most people because of my autism.
@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice
But then as I read more I realised that when I imagine things I can create pictures and colours with sufficient effort of concentration but I don't actually use my visual system to "see" these imagined images. It's as though my brain does all the processing to create the visual image and I can move it around and change perspectives but I don't feel like I am actually seeing it.
Does this make sense?
Is what I experience normal?
The weird thing is I dream in pictures.
@Anonylysk
Normal is not in my vocab😀 . I'm not an expert, especially on the Aphantasia side of it. I've gotten lots of feedback from, and have several friends that live with it. Many peoples experience varies, just like many disabilities. I occasionally have trouble visualizing things. When I can't visualize future plans, for example, they do not seem to come to pass. Other times can visualize vividly and they do. The mind is a fascinating instrument.
@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice So, when I mentally walk down the isles of Costco and look at the items on the shelves to see if I need to buy anything, that’s Hyperphantasia? Or when I imagine myself in a room in a story I’m writing, and I can see everything in it down to the last detail? Cool to know!
@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice I have hippocampal sclerosis.... very cool here!
@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice
My imaginary world was one of the things that got me through my childhood. I would have attempted suicide a lot younger without it or been far more fractured by DID than I was.
@OutOfExile_IDR_Voice
I don't always imagine stuff with photo realism but I can and do do so at times. My dreams can have photo realism as well as the bizarre logic normal of dreaming or sometimes with realistic logic but it is rare to be completely realistic. Most often it's either unrealistic or partially realistic when it comes to logic.