Laffy@[email protected] I’m on Post, but I need someone to explain to me why everyone’s so excited about it. It’s single-column, so it’s harder to track posts, and there is paid content. So what’s the attraction?
Kelley Graham@GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier exactly. it's familiar. it's vaporware. mission statement and nothing underneath. no future there.
@imklg I hope you’re right. I like it here so much more, and the format makes sense. Post’s Facebook-like format deters me. And to have to click separately to read comments, if you even find them in the feed is, well, cumbersome. @[email protected]
@GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier my long term tech predictions have been spot on. since 1994 anyway. :)
B Bigelow@GottaLaff @[email protected] srsly.. it eludes me
Will Pollock@GottaLaff @[email protected] I'm on Post too (let's connect!) and I don't see what all the fuss is about
@willpollock I’ll look you up, and ditto. @[email protected]
@GottaLaff @[email protected] any idea if our amazing pal Nicole (Sandler) is coming over to Mastodon?
@GottaLaff @[email protected] whoopsie doodles! search box is my friend https://mstdn.social/@nicolesandler/109399753428117817
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Ted_Cville@GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier I don't know! It's also owned by another rich guy, which this isn't.
@Ted_Cville Nobody has yet explained the advantages of Post over Mastodon. I’m still waiting. @[email protected]
@GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier I think a lot of people assume that since it started up like a business (Twitter, Facebook), it will somehow be better than a distributed system like this - which of course is ridiculous.
Doctor😷G 🇵🇹🇺🇸@GottaLaff @[email protected] It's been boosted repetitively by media grandées like Molly Jong-Fast. I assume they are cocktail party buddies. I think Post is a useless embarrassment (I come from decades of internet tech work experience).
@dr_g_e_e Thank you for validating my analysis. I’m frustrated as hell over the jumping around between platforms. I’d like us to stick to one and communicate.
@GottaLaff They perpetuate the "Mastodon is TOO COMPLICATED" narrative, which is pure bullshit. I gave up on it quickly when they bounced my post which contained the OBSCENE three letter acronym 'WTF' for being off-tone. It is Fisher-Price social media for nitwits.
pamdorra@GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier there’s no notifications, it bounces so often you can’t read anything… I keep trying but 🤦🏻♀️
@pamdorra Exactly. I get that it’s in beta, but until they get a Tweetdeck style multi-column grid, it’s hard to keep up. @[email protected]
@boulderbee Well Mastodon allows for multi-columns. Post doesn't... yet. @[email protected] @pamdorra
Shawn Smith Peirce@GottaLaff The reason many in media are somewhat liking Post - mechanical issues aside - is that they're finding a similar atmosphere to Journalism Twitter, with fewer trolls, monsters, noobs, and amateurs.
As I've noted elsewhere to others lately, whatever comes next will be about the people, not the technology (although I'll admit, Post is in beta & kinda janky right now).
Mastodon is janky in its own ways. Nowhere is the same - yet.
@_silversmith Thanks for explaining, but I still don’t get it. It’s nearly impossible to read, track posts from follows, and the beta stuff is incidental to that.
@GottaLaff Some of the problems you're having with it are because it's in beta, and not ready for the kind of use it's already getting.
So not incidental at all.
Instead of working on features & eliminating bugs to make sure those features work properly, they've prioritized handling more users. So the experience isn't what you're looking for yet.
Will it be? I don't know.
So far, they've all got their issues, & I'm unsatisfied with any of them.
@_silversmith No, beta has nothing to do with it. Unless he provides multiple columns like Mastodon, then the format simply won’t work for me. Is he planning on doing that?
@GottaLaff That much I don't know.
FWIW, I dislike multiple columns for social media. That's something that's turned me off of Counter Social.
Right now, seems like most of us just trying to duplicate our own personal choices & positive experiences on the bird site - and again, no one place is hitting all the right notes.
Too bad EM didn't piss off Putin & stand near a window.
Charles Gaba@_silversmith @GottaLaff The main features of Post seem to be the Medium-like text interface (stylized text etc) and the potential point/payment thing which seems very handy if it works.
@charlesgaba That's exactly what I do not like about it: The payment thing. @_silversmith
@GottaLaff @_silversmith Well, it depends *how* it works. I don't charge anything for my stuff at ACA Signups--I have Patreon & PayPal subscription options but they're purely voluntary; I don't really do "exclusive content for supporters" per se. But the pay-per-article thing could be an option for some writers I suppose.
@charlesgaba I get that. I just don't like it to be at the forefront on everyone's page. To me, social media is a community, sharing, exchanging ideas, not paying for them. Like you said, that's a "private" option and I do gladly pay for content and subscriptions, but I don't like it to be in my face.
@GottaLaff @charlesgaba There are porn sites (which will remain nameless here) which operate along this business model. "Free exchange of ideas? No thanks."
@dr_g_e_e That one went right over my head. You don't like exchanging ideas? We're doing that right now. @charlesgaba
@GottaLaff Bad writing on my part. I was fake-quoting the micropayment sleaze model.
@GottaLaff @charlesgaba I fixed my sloppy comment. I meant to quote the people expecting opinions to be remunerative. I pay for tons of editorial content - to three major newspapers and a gaggle of small monthly payments to Patreons. Not a matter of cheapness.
@dr_g_e_e @charlesgaba Got it. And same here. I am willing to pay for good content, but I get put off by paywalls on a social media site.
@GottaLaff @dr_g_e_e @charlesgaba Two points.
1) As the folks at Post have made clear, their reasoning for making the micropayments feature available.
While you & I subscribe to some media orgs, Post's folks want to make any person or media org who wants to make an article available, on a one-off basis hyper easy to access.
For example, "Media Org X" could have a relatively tight paywall, like the WSJ. But they could also post a piece at Post…
@GottaLaff @dr_g_e_e @charlesgaba …And instead of forcing everyone to take an annual WSJ subscription or be locked out, they could make it $.99 - or in Post parlance, 99 points - to view the article.
I can see the appeal, from the user side And from the user side, I like it. BUT…
2) Micro-payments have continually proven not to work for major media companies, as a part of their business model.
So I'm quite skeptical it'll work now.
That said…
@GottaLaff @dr_g_e_e @charlesgaba …As a way to help make a space where media orgs & journalists likely will feel more comfortable to post & share news?
They're definitely making that environment far more enticing than here.
Yes, media orgs can control their own instance/server here - which is exactly what their lawyers don't want.
Having another platform host the social media allows them plausible deniability, when things go wrong. And they always go wrong, eventually…
@GottaLaff @dr_g_e_e @charlesgaba …For now, Post is still in Beta, and not 100% of what I'd like.
Mastodon is not in Beta - and it's also not 100% of what I'd like.
For many of us, we're going to have to be on multiple short socials, including remaining on the bird site, TFN.
I wish that weren't the case.
But for now, it is.
@charlesgaba @GottaLaff @_silversmith I prefer the ko-fi.com donation approach - have donated there countless times. Post is just post-digested dog's dinner.
Mash@GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier I think people with large following are excited because they can monetize their posts. For someone like me, Mastodon makes a lot more sense.
James Gleick@GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier It was touted by people who knew nothing about it except that by promoting a link they could jump ahead on the waiting list. A bit of clever marketing that took in people who should have known better.
@JamesGleick When I was put on the list, I intentionally didn’t boost it. I got in fairly quickly. So yes, a clever marketing device, but it didn’t work on me.
@GottaLaff my strategy is to pick the most open, scalable and secure platform and wait for others to arrive. 100% success over 25 years. #mastodon and #ActivityPub win. watch all the closed systems learn to speak activitypub. then watch the ad revenue dry up 'cause sponsored content, ads and algorithms are unbearable when there's an alternative.
@imklg Never heard of the Pub one. But glad to hear this
@GottaLaff #ACtivityPub is the language that enables servers/instances/communities to speak like they aren't separate. more info here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub
@JamesGleick @GottaLaff @[email protected] That's the Clubhouse gambit. And we all know what a rousing hit that has been. "Oooooh, I'm one of the Cool Kids, I have a Clubhouse account!"
John Dewey@dr_g_e_e @JamesGleick @GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier
@QasimRashid
Let's not start treating Mastodon as the one in high school you could fool around with but you really wanted someone else who was cooler or sexier. IE was all dolled up and basically advertising. I hope we all don't start blowing off Mastodon whenever something shinier shimmies its arse. And then come back.
@QasimRashid
Let's not start treating Mastodon as the one in high school you could fool around with but you really wanted someone else who was cooler or sexier. IE was all dolled up and basically advertising. I hope we all don't start blowing off Mastodon whenever something shinier shimmies its arse. And then come back.
dlbridgeman@dr_g_e_e @JamesGleick @GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier To be fair, that's how Gmail started. You had to be invited by someone who already had an account.
Sex Crazed SaltShaker of Death@JamesGleick @GottaLaff @[email protected] It's hard to say where it will go. I find it easier to deal with than here so far, possibly because it is easier to read. At this point, it is too small to know where it can get to. Right now it is more like 2008 facebook with pet and food pics.
robert_said_what@GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier I got and and was like meh, why? I’m missing something and it’s only web based
Mark Squires 
@GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier I see pros and cons. It is basically still a beta with a lot of work to do. Plainly, they rolled it out too fast because they wanted to seize the moment. It's hard to follow threads. The notifications process is a mess. The payments system is confusing, but will no doubt have some creators salivating. Whether it ever works will be interesting. The "medium" aspect might also be interesting, but not personally what I am looking for.
I'm not yet convinced, but I haven't see the final product either. It is certainly a possibility to keep. But frankly, software is not important. Where are the creators going? That's all I used Twitter for, which was never a major platform for me as a creator. There, I was mostly a user. I only cross-posted to Twitter. What platforms will creators flock to? I can figure the rest out in terms of tech stuff. I've already disqualified a couple. I would tend to keep Mastodon and Post, although the latter is projection just now.
@marksquires @[email protected] I’m not judging the beta thing, I get that. For me it’s strictly format. I’m here to read and share news and commentary, and that’s what i did on Twitter (along with a few fun posts here and there). Twitter got me regular stints on radio, podcasts. It changed my life. I’m now feeling a little disoriented and frustrated.
@GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier Change is hard. A few weeks pass and you may wonder what the problem was. Finding the right button to click in the beginning is always the hardest part. Then it improves geometrically.
@marksquires But that's my point. I don't want to have to find a button. Here on Mastodon, with multi-columns, I don't have to fumble around looking for that. I see it at a glance.
@GottaLaff @[email protected] And it’s unnavigable! The column keeps jumping around. Who needs that stress? 😵💫
Gertrude the Squid@GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier The paid content aspect of it was a non-starter for me. I already pay for plenty of content and needed something to fill the “news from familiar faces all in one place” hole left by Twitter. I’m slowly building that into my Mastodon community.
@gertrudethesquid That's why I'm here too. Well, that and everything my pinned post says.
The Tobraham™@GottaLaff @MelissaJPeltier agreed. I'm there but not a fan yet. I have become a big fan of Mastodon, however.