‏محترمہ پربھا ✅Nov 9, 2019
A heads up to #India folks, this is not bird app, this is open source so each of the different instances you are in, there is someone else working for you to get this experience. I see lot of you asking for features and moderators, it’s pretty entitled I feel, they are funded by donation so pls try to donate to different instances you are in: for the number of folks we have brought in even if each of us pay 100 rupees, it will make huge difference . I will get information where we can donate
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

Most users got home at either mastodon.social or mstdn.social

So monetise contribution to these instances first.

Despite, mastodon.social is well funded but recent surge of new users must cost them resource.

It is advised new users to contribute to their respective home instance.

For donating to #Mastodon software development can be done later pace as instances requires financial support than development

@Deepsealioness

Show threadS Ravichandran
@noorul @Deepsealioness @milcom how do you contribute to mastodon.social instance infrastructure ?
Nov 9, 2019 at 2:52pmToot!
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

I don't.

I am running an other instance which is quey.org.

Though, I am seeing a few making donation now.

Have you donated yet ?

@ravichso

Show threadS RavichandranNov 9, 2019
@noorul on it . Patreon log in is a bit of a problem . I already have an account but forgot the password and it is not in the manager and patreon still hasn’t sent the reset link ...
Will do as soon as I can get in
Show threadS RavichandranNov 9, 2019
@noorul done . Sponsor at $10 per month
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

You rock!

@ravichso

Show threadS RavichandranNov 9, 2019
@noorul Thx . the reduction in rage level after quitting twitter is worth much much more than this monthly subscription !
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

If you are generous to donate $10 every month, I suggest you something.

You may better have your own instance.

There is a service for this https://masto.host/pricing, roughly $10 monthly.

Even better, start/sponsor an instance which accommodate about 50 members.

The value is here to go decentralised, small.

@ravichso

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Show threadS RavichandranNov 9, 2019
@noorul wish I could spare the time . I spend quite a lot of time managing my own machines that I use for my ML/backtesting derivatives trading work . Will think about this though .
Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@ravichso @noorul good idea the issue is of having mods and such . Any place which doesn't have mod. could easily find itself in storm or be overtaken by people.
Show threadS RavichandranNov 9, 2019
@shirishag75 @noorul spot on . I didn’t think about that 🤦‍♂️ . I was focused on the AWS / software , backups and stuff !
Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@ravichso @noorul those are relatively easy things, modding is the hard bitch, as well as testing, scaling whatever.
Show threadS RavichandranNov 9, 2019
@shirishag75 @noorul been there done that , burnt more than fingers ! ( the scaling , testing bit ) . Moderation : hmm not sure if I have the temperament to calmly handle offensive posts !
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

one note. Unlike Online forum, social network etc, #fediverse are interconnected and. The core value is to connect remotely.

So breaking away is better option

@ravichso @shirishag75

Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

I was telling about single user instance or private instance for closed users.

this avoids moderation.

@shirishag75 @ravichso

Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@noorul @ravichso true but that can only work if you are looking to grow some niche interests and have enough people to ascribe to it. That can work.
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

trust me, I would keep support self hosting.

I even trying to set up #Pleroma instance on my home server.

But I am having issues with IPv6 & IPv4 connectivity.

#Selfhosting is the best ;)

@shirishag75 @ravichso

Show threadSalma سلما Nov 9, 2019
@ravichso @noorul how did you pay?(mode of payment) @ravichso ? Is $10 the standard rate?
Show threadS RavichandranNov 9, 2019
@CharismaticSal_ @noorul you could donate even $1 every month and cancel any time when you reach your intended contribution
Show threadSalma سلما Nov 9, 2019
@ravichso @noorul thanks for the info. 😊
Show threadS RavichandranNov 9, 2019
@CharismaticSal_ @noorul paid using credit card on patreon
Show threadSalma سلما Nov 9, 2019
@ravichso @noorul okay.
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

Credit cards are fine.
Debit cards are pain.

Top private sector, ICICI, Axis bak, HDFC debit card, & SBI debit cards work fine for me.

Indian overseas, Indian bank, similar cards failing.

@ravichso @CharismaticSal_

Show threadSalma سلما Nov 9, 2019
@noorul @ravichso that means SBI debit card works. What about net banking?
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

Actually, I've not checked out myself.

As far I seen now, once you login into patreon.com, you are given credit/debit card & paypal.com option.

in order use SBI card, it need to be Visa/Mastercard international and need to enable international transaction.

Enable transaction with SBI debit card is possible with sending sms or via Internet banking.

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With choosing Paypal option, you MAY show Internet banking to pay. (This is I am not checked yet)

@CharismaticSal_ @ravichso

Show threadS RavichandranNov 9, 2019
@noorul @CharismaticSal_ debit cards should work . Not internet banking .
Show threadSalma سلما Nov 9, 2019
@ravichso @noorul okay. Thanks!
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

Like I mention before, not all debit card work for internationally.

#RBI restrict.

stupidly, there is even 2 system. When enabling International transaction for debit card, 1st they enable international ATM transactions, than need to request for international P.O.S (point of sale) again with some banks.

@ravichso @CharismaticSal_

Show threadSalma سلما Nov 9, 2019
@noorul @ravichso I think someone who has the access to international transaction can collect the fund and he or she pays the collected amount to the concerned website. But then, if the amount is high then tax thing comes.🤔
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

This concern to me earlier but not sure whom to turn to.

that someone need not be single person. May be a group of volunteers.

I don't know much of taxation. actually.

@CharismaticSal_ @ravichso

Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

I've proposed something which can aid in long run.

https://quey.org/@noorul/103108129552799373

@CharismaticSal_

noorul (@[email protected])

I urge all to consider your own instance setup and get home there permanently. With your own policy, rules and moderation. We want many small communities for sustainability and many values. #India #Help @[email protected]

quey.org
Show threadSalma سلما Nov 9, 2019
@noorul @ravichso seems to be a bit complicated process. They need to come up with some easier process of payment in India.
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

Salma,

I been there,

so check my earlier post regarding donation:

https://quey.org/@noorul/103108102599593535

@CharismaticSal_

noorul (@[email protected])

In my opinion, raise fund among you all, via NEFT, IMPS, UPI, mobile wallet. Then it is better to send to abroad. Reasons, a few challenges ahead. International donation website asks for international visa/master card. Not all our cards are enabled international payment 2), our banks setup a way for OTP for second verification when using credit/card. International uses differenent method for 2nd authenication. 3) patreon.com is donating is regular basic. Once setup, donation required at interval. For now, have some trust, collect donation domestically and send internationally. @[email protected]

quey.org
Show threadSalma سلما Nov 9, 2019
@noorul Thank you!
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

but before you give up, would be charm enough to give a try.

* Just visit https://www.patreon.com/mastodon

* select ur amount,

* signup a Patreon account

* enter your debit card detail

and try making payment.

let us know here the result.

@CharismaticSal_

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Show threadSalma سلما Nov 9, 2019
@noorul this wud be great. Someone collect money from all the mastodon users in India and donate the raised fund to patreon.com. This seems feasible!
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

Indian government doesn't like outbound fund from India.

It "protects" internal resources ;)

@CharismaticSal_

Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@noorul @CharismaticSal_ @ravichso didn't see this, good you pointed it out ;)
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

By the way, I use primarily #SBI debit card linked with Paypal for a few International merchants.

Though need to enable international transaction which I enable via Internet banking.

here is screenshot of SBI page to enable International transaction

@CharismaticSal_

Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@noorul @ravichso @CharismaticSal_ From what I know, it's actually visa and mastercard . I have seen some places where one works, at some places, the other. At the end of the day, the bank is just the branding, the real service provider are these guys.
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

Bro, I've first hand information,

I have made numerous calling when I have send fund to servers.

Whatever, I have shared is my own experience which I had 1-2 years.

maybe things update.

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you know something, when you may payment with cards online, you have enter OTP sent your mobile/Email,

this didn't work with Google developer payment.

It took me 1 week to make several calls to bank branch, HO, research online, made calls to Google, US.

Google US front desk can't solve the issue, I up raise to tech team to get explanation.

Google requires 2 authentication. 1 is CCV , 2nd is "3D verification".

with Indian banks, not all banks have 3D verifitcation but with OTP.

@shirishag75

Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@noorul I never had to do anything with google developer, have stayed away from them.
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

Oh, I use it for distributing #Android apps on Google play.

Other than that, I don't use Google product.

@shirishag75

Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@noorul I do use gmail, it's just I'm too lazy and don't really wanna set up my own mail server and stuff, too much work and too much work on the security front then as well. One of the reasons I didn't comment when you were talking about ipv4/6 stack.
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

haha,

Okay, setting up and running Mail suite is painful.

It is not meant for just 1 admin.

Greatly, I use #Yunohost to host mail Web apps, Email server with just click of button.

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come on, bro.
Gmail ???

At least use Protonmail, or Riseup.net
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@shirishag75

Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@noorul I know but have 2 decades of data, migration is a pain and for all that sucks, gmail makes it easy for me to find stuff.
Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@noorul on top of that so many government and other places have my gmail address. Even if I migrate away, I wouldn't know how to tell the same to people. It's work, and work for which I'll not be paid :(
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

I am not argumentative here but informative.

I've helped a few clients to migrate from Gmail.

steps,
______

*connect Gmail with Mail client like Gnome Evolution, Thunderbird,

* export downloaded mails for backup.

* move all the mails to folders on local storage which your Gmail become empty.

* set up redirection to new E-mails.

*set up new signature, reply-to to new emails.

* baby steps.

new mails arrive at your new inbox.

occassionally, tide your Gmail inbox.

@shirishag75

Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@noorul I have done that, or tried to do that. I guess it takes personal discipline more than anything else. Ironically, I have helped clients, friends set up mail servers etc. charged for it, even do some extra services for them but when it comes to self, dunno what happens.
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

haha,

it is same for me.
For others & client, every done perfectly.

For me, it is always mess. hehe

@shirishag75

Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@noorul I think part of it is we are always fiddling things for ourselves. Kinda breaking, figuring out stuff, for others it's much more simpler as we know what breaks and doesn't.
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

What do you do, may I ask ?

@shirishag75

Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@noorul nothing much. I work as 'consultant' . Have written some basics for e-zines such as https://itsfoss.com/author/shirish/ . Have conducted workshops and stuff alone, with friends etc.
Shirish - It's FOSS

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Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

lol,

let me tell, I don't even keep mails/contact on remote server.

I simple move newly received to local storage and copies on mobile client.

On Email server, with few newly arrived ones, using Riseup.net/

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I am conservative of digital footprint and get ride of digital data frequently.

@shirishag75

Show threadshirishNov 9, 2019
@noorul well, you are better at it then me for sure. It will probably take me months to do that and even after that curation is going to take a while. It's only when sometimes I start deleting mails, I find friends who I haven't touched bases in years and then try to reconnect with them. Somehow, we seem to lose touch with people whom we knew :(
Show threadNoorulNov 9, 2019

I don't want you to think I am do fancy with self hosting.

I have set up a few Android device with ssh, web server connect with DDNS.

just simple as this, Ipv4/6 is not working well.

@shirishag75