xJul 19, 2018
mulander

There should be a global 'awareness' week for developers. For a week reduce your RAM to 2 GB, disable all cores except 2, downscale your resolution to 1366x768 and cap your internet at 1 Mbps (or less for mobile developers)...

Maybe, just maybe we will start to have less crappy, bloated software.

Jul 17, 2018 at 1:03pmWeb
Show threadCaptain Poni 🛤️Jul 17, 2018
@mulander i can get by for a week with just emacs, cli and little web browser usage, it won't have any effect on my work, except it being little slower to do
Show threadalt for @[email protected]Jul 17, 2018

@mulander 2GB? Generous.

My rule is, give developers PCs that match the smallest spec the software is supposed to run on. And plug your ears, because they'll whinge.

Show threadwinmine.exeJul 17, 2018
@mwlucas @mulander this is what MS did for Windows 95 - developers had computers with either minimum or recommended specs and for a developer to get more, they had to make a hell of a case. should be somewhere on Raymond Chen's blog.
Show threadwinmine.exeJul 17, 2018
@mwlucas @mulander think I found it https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20120102-00/?p=8743/
Why wasn’t the Windows 95 shell prototyped on Windows NT?

Carlos wonders why the Windows 95 shell was prototyped as 16-bit code running on the still-under-development 32-bit kernel, USER, and GDI as opposed to being prototyped as fully 32-bit code on Windows NT. There were a number of reasons, some good, some bad. One reason was that the Windows 95 shell was being developed by the...

Show threadMarcin CieślakJul 19, 2018
@calvin @mulander @mwlucas Early MS DOS versions had to be cross built on SCP machine because the whole thing didn't fit into IBM PC memory
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Show threadh3artbl33d 🐡Jul 17, 2018

@mwlucas @mulander

This should apply to webdevelopers as well. Megabytes of resource hogging, extreme bloated JS code to power some pesky animations.

developer.location = "/dev/null";

Show threadgled => MovedJul 18, 2018
@mwlucas @devnull @mulander "can't do anything in the next 5hours, I am compiling..." :D
Show thread🐧DaveNull🐧 ☣️pResident Evil☣Jul 18, 2018

@gled Well, decent software worth it!

https://xkcd.com/303/

@mwlucas @mulander

Compiling

xkcd
Show threadMOVEDJul 18, 2018
@mwlucas
And your devs are staying in your company? Oh dear.
@mulander
Show threadalt for @[email protected]Jul 18, 2018
@NicolasConstant @mulander They do. Because that was spelled out when they hire on, and they're paid appropriately.
Show threadabyxcosJul 17, 2018
@mulander end result: productivity skyrockets for a day or two until everyone remembers old.reddit.com works in lynx/links2/elinks. Productivity permanently suffers after developers learn about asciinema.
Show threadSwitchJul 17, 2018
@abyxcos ooh, neat! @mulander
Show threadfatboy Jul 17, 2018
@mulander This should be applied to Microsoft's employees
Show threadinmysocks Of Doom, Naked KSCJul 17, 2018

@mulander I use a raspberry pi 3 as one of my dev machines so I have something like that.

Also, I agree. This is a good idea.

Show threadDead Ninjatrappeur, migrated to @[email protected]Jul 17, 2018
@mulander are you doing that yourself? What kind of machine do you use?
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Show threadmulanderJul 17, 2018
@Ninjatrappeur Thinkpad T420 with 2 GB of ram, half the cores offline due to hyperthreading being disabled in #OpenBSD (so two cores) - I am on a 20 up / 3 down connection but previous to that was on 3/3 for 7 years (upgraded like 1 year ago). I don't have an external monitor anymore and my resolution is 1366x768.
Show threadDead Ninjatrappeur, migrated to @[email protected]Jul 17, 2018
@mulander Are you also using this as your professional dev box?
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Show threadmulanderJul 17, 2018
@Ninjatrappeur yes
Show threadDead Ninjatrappeur, migrated to @[email protected]Jul 18, 2018
@mulander You clearly hit the nail on the head here.

This would probably deserve a proper writeup.
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Show threadVertigoJul 17, 2018

@mulander My #kestrel3 project starts with terribly small specs in part to encourage this kind of visibility. 6 MIPS instruction execution rate gives comparable performance to a C64, accounting for screen resolution differences. 1MB of RAM (with some used by the OS image itself) helps ensures frugality. Etc.

RAM and CPU microarchitecture can be expanded of course; but it's not defined as the minimum specs.

Show threadSeverákJul 17, 2018
@mulander and give them old LCD with washed colors to emulate color-blidness
Show threadDoc Edward Morbius ❌​Jul 17, 2018
@severak @mulander A CRT with a dead beam gun.
Show thread❦ Billy Blaze ❦Jul 17, 2018
@mulander That's my home machine's specs!
Show threadmulanderJul 17, 2018
@ckeen same here buddy, I feel your pain! :)
Show threadShawn WebbJul 17, 2018
@mulander And add random packet loss, averaging around 10%.
Show threadmulanderJul 17, 2018
@lattera and a google captcha each time they try to compile code if the project contains cloudflare references.
Show threadKenJul 17, 2018
@lattera @mulander I can just modify a VM to run tests on with a network conditioner on it
Show threadmulanderJul 17, 2018
@kenrachynski @lattera it's easier to write off poor performance when you're observing it in a controlled environment - not living it.
Show threadKenJul 17, 2018

@mulander @lattera good point. though, I apparently had been living it with my Windows VM... needed to put an unlimited network conditioner on to get anywhere close to my host network capabilities.

Months I spent like this.

Show threadNixfreakJul 17, 2018
@mulander or just make everyone code in c and asm
Show threadnull ⚠️ Inactive ⚠️Jul 17, 2018
@mulander >implying having a max resolution of 1366x768 is bad

This offends me tbqh fam
Show threadmulanderJul 17, 2018
@null 1366x768 is also my max resolution - so are the other specs I listed...
Show threadCJ MallardJul 17, 2018
@null @mulander I strongly prefer the high DPI (even at identical effective resolution) so the text and circles look passable
Show threaded(1) conferenceJul 17, 2018
@mulander /me encourages uses of a paper-output device, less than 1MB of RAM, and a CPU with PDP-11 speeds. Maybe, just maybe we will start to have less bloated software. ;-)
Show threadAndrew G10zJul 18, 2018
@ed1conf @mulander all this is far too generous. 640k, and an 8-bit processor should be enough for anyone.
Show threadAndrew G10zJul 18, 2018
@ed1conf @mulander and, paper output? Psshhhh. Blinkenlights and switches. Make every bit hurt.
Show threadbitch i might beJul 17, 2018
@mulander

delet webshit basically

i can do all of my computing tasks on a raspberry pi, except open a web browser. for that i need at least 6GB of RAM, lots of fast cores, and low latency fiber
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Show threadAndrew Hewus FreshJul 17, 2018
@mulander I remember this one, 2G Tuesdays https://www.theverge.com/2015/10/28/9625062/facebook-2g-tuesdays-slow-internet-developing-world
Facebook's '2G Tuesdays' simulate super slow internet in the developing world

The Verge
Show threadMinoruJul 17, 2018
@mulander Commenting just to subscribe. Wonder what other sick things the commenters will come up with.
Show threadalcinnzJul 17, 2018

@mulander I try to do this everyday! When I go to the store I look for the most underpowered computer.

Though I've found a Raspberry Pi is too underpowered to work comfortably.

Show threadAaron A. GlennJul 17, 2018

@mulander

I'm running 40+ instances of 1 "vCore", 1-2GB of memory, and 10-50GB of SSD.

Debian 9 stock eats ~400MB of memory without doing anything.

I run multiple full tables of v4 + v6, a static web server, PowerDNS, rsqlite, and Consul with some room to spare on #OpenBSD 

Show thread雨宫恋叶Jul 17, 2018
@mulander Actually, my computer has just 2GB memory and 2 cores. But screen resolution can go up to 1600x900