It is obvious that exponential growth can not go on unlimited in a limited system. There are #LimitsToGrowth in every finite system. So what will the future bring while the superrich hide in their bunkers (even they are unsure how, as Douglas Rushkoff describes in his book)? A..

a) societal collapse and we go extinct
b) societal collapse and we go back to pre-industrial middle ages
c) societal collapse and we create a sustainable post-capitalist economy

I don't know. What do you think? Can we avoid a collapse of a society which is based on exponential growth and exploitation of fossil fuels or is a collapse inevitable?
https://www.politybooks.com/bookdetail?book_slug=how-everything-can-collapse-a-manual-for-our-times--9781509541386

Our politicians constantly ask for new growth. #Growth means more jobs, more tax revenues and more money to spend. To enable more growth they make more debt. And to pay back the debt they need again more growth. An endless loop of demand for new debt and demand for new growth (to payback debt) emerges.

Until the loop hits one day the #LimitsToGrowth and reaches the point of #PeakOil. We tend to ignore that the resources of a finite world are limited. Authors like Peter Zeihan ("The End of the World Is Just the Beginning") or Pablo Servigne and Raphaël Stevens ("How Everything Can Collapse") have described what happens next: the whole system starts to #collapse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_the_World_Is_Just_the_Beginning

The End of the World Is Just the Beginning - Wikipedia

Human #wellbeing on a #FinitePlanet towards 2100: new study shows humanity at a crossroads

A new paper by members of Earth4All’s scientific advisory team published today in Global Sustainability models two starkly different futures for humanity this century: one defined by escalating crises compounded by rising social tension, the other by a bold transformation towards wellbeing for all. The findings emphasise the importance of considering wellbeing and social cohesion when studying how planetary risks, inequality and social tensions interact.

4 July 2025

Excerpt: "Boost social cohesion and wellbeing for successful climate action

"A key innovation of the study is the introduction of two novel indices: social tension and wellbeing. This enabled the researchers to model not just the complex interactions between economic and #environmental factors in the two scenarios, but also include social feedback loops capturing trust, public investment, and political capacity. The modelling results suggests that rising #inequality and environmental degradation fuel social tensions, which in turn reduce governments’ capacity to implement the long-term policies needed to address existential risks linked to climate change and other planetary boundaries.

" 'By integrating a social tension index and a wellbeing index, we have been able to highlight the importance of social dynamics in climate scenarios,' explained co-author #NathalieSpittler of #BOKUUniversity. 'Achieving climate goals is not just a question of technological and economic developments. If wellbeing declines and social tensions rise, this creates a negative feedback loop where the very conditions needed for transformational change become harder to achieve.'

"Conversely, the study suggests that actions to reduce inequality and increase #SocialCohesion and wellbeing are key if governments want to implement policy shifts on #climate and other global issues."

Read more [includes link to the paper]:
https://earth4all.life/news/human-wellbeing-on-a-finite-planet-towards-2100-new-study-shows-humanity-at-a-crossroads/

#SolarPunkSunday #Earth4All #ClimateChange #BuildingCommunity #BuildResilience #GiantLeap #GiantLeapScenario #LtG #LimitsToGrowth #StabilizedWorld

Human wellbeing on a finite planet towards 2100: new study shows humanity at a crossroads - Earth4All

A new paper by members of Earth4All’s scientific advisory team published today in Global Sustainability models two starkly different futures for humanity this century

Earth4All
@Sheril Humanities, yes. Social science, of course. And do not forget #systemdynamics. You know Donella and Dennis Meadows, the #limitstogrowth, the Club of Rome and all that. We have been warned what is coming long ago. I believe the orange guy in the White House is only a symptom of a deeper problem. Capitalism has hit the limits to growth. Trump is the poor man's image of a rich guy, and deep down he knows it. Maybe one reason why he despises his MAGA crowd.

my direct question to the #systemsthinking community: if you had to redo world3, include the massive effects of social inequality, include big money & power, global, all encompassing #posttruth #misinformation campaigns corrupting the feedbacks - what would it look like?

#collapse #limitstogrowth

there were exactly 2 people in these circles that saw coming by a long shot what trump meant. one was heinberg, wrote a whole book about it, called "power". the other was regoczei, computing guy, he always said to me: fascism is a result of local #limitstogrowth #collapse. not the big thing, but the small, local injustices that wear down on everyday life in a crisis.

by now i think those two got the closest you could ever get to actually understanding what is happening right now and what happened with COVID.

🌿 I like this blog post by @maxwilbert. It highlights the problem with speaking of environmental issues in terms of 'limiting ourselves'. Because that carries the implication that until these limits are reached, we can do whatever we want.

Instead of external limits, he argues (in agreement with author Giorgos Kallis), we should look for internal limits: ways of limiting our own behaviour to be more in line with the world around us – not just because of the consequences, but also because of the freedom and justice such limit-setting entails.

I like this.

However, I disagree with the wording here. I think we can go one step further and not speak in terms of 'limits' at all. I am not limited by the fact that I cannot take a private jet everywhere I go; I am positively happy about it. I am not limited by my non-consumption of animal products, it makes me feel great. What Wilbert and Kallis call 'self-limitation', I call flourishing.

As long as we keep thinking in terms of limitation/expansion, we stay stuck in the capitalist-imperialist mindset. This mindset sees expansion as the only way forward, with everything else being 'stagnation' or 'regression' and therefore Bad. Whereas what we should be looking for is ways to grow our quality of life without growing our destructive footprint.

In my humble opinion, of course.

🔗 https://maxwilbert.substack.com/p/the-problem-with-limits

#degrowth #MaxWilbert #LimitsToGrowth #environment #EnvironmentalPhilosophy #GiorgosKallis #sufficiency #abundance

The Problem with Limits

On self-limitation vs. external limits

Biocentric
Comments on the critique of Jason Hickel by Liegey, Nelson and Leahy

[Ted Trainer] Hickel's critics makes two major points, one of which I disagree with but the other is in my opinion correct and important.

15/15\15

you know this is the reason why i am so disappointed in the like "deep green" #systems branch of my ex-#environmental community, i was sure that they somehow make at least the effort to envision the convergence of tumpism and all those other predicaments and most of them - they just can't do it. from voting for harris no matter how embarrassing it may be for an environmentalist to this very moment they just can't do it.

#systemsthinking #environment #energy #limitstogrowth

and disclaimer: #doomers will say: isn't it good then when trumps breaks down the #complexity. to those i can only say: you have no fucking idea what that might all cause. complexity, a rich network of feedbacks is also what makes systems adaptable. real smart people say it is what makes life. #trump is breaking that down, also. we might live in a simpler world bc of #trump, yeah. but it will still be a world on the brink. that has not changed from a #climatechange perspective, #limitstogrowth perspective, #peakoil perspective - you name it. we might be a lot less capable of doing anything about it.

#USpol #systemsthinking