WestFox35As a reminder: I am offering free Iceshrimp.NET fediverse hosting on OP5+’s. Contact me for details.
I’m shouting into the void here but I’m really curious on who would be interested in free #iceshrimpnet hosting on OP5+ (basically #raspberrypi but more powerful) servers.
You’d need to provide the domain, which would remain in your control. I’d take care of the actual hosting.
Which platform wins?? :D
I really do feel like #mastodon should do what #IceshrimpNET does and just convert all the media into webp/avif/jpegxl, along with resize it.
There is very little reason, IMO, for #mastodon instances to cache a 50MP JPEG file when it could instead be converted to a 24MP AVIF.
Just as an example.
Jupiter Rowland@「 Jürgen 」:fedi_mastodon: @crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts @Don di Dislessia Soweit ich weiß, war es so (man möge mich wiederum korrigieren; kursiv sind die "Forkeys höheren Grades", die nicht von Misskey geforkt wurden):
Ein paar andere *keys:
Siehe übrigens auch die Delightful Fediverse Experience: hier und hier.
Verglichen damit ist die Familie von Mistpark bis Forte schon wieder übersichtlich, vor allem, wenn die anderen mehreren Dutzend toten Forkeys mit dazugeholt werden. Immerhin stammt von Mistpark bis Forte über etwa 15 Jahre alles vom selben Schöpfer, der einfach nur sein eigenes Zeug geforkt hat.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #IceshrimpJS #Iceshrimp.NET #Catodon #Sharkey #CherryPick #FoundKey #Hajkey #Neko #Meisskey #Leisskey #Tanukey #Backspacekey
- Misskey
Der Ursprung in Japan. - Calckey
Soft-Fork von Misskey mit einigen Extrafeatures.
Entwickler hatte irgendwann keine Zeit/keinen Bock mehr. - Firefish
Fortführung von Calckey unter neuem Management. Wurde aufgrund einer massiven Werbeaktion eines begeisterten Nutzers mit viel Reichweite so populär, daß der Name "Calckey" irgendwann einfach doof war und das ganze Ding eine neue Identität bekam.
Entwickler verschwand irgendwann sang- und klanglos von der Bildfläche. Nach einem halben Jahr stellte sich raus: Entwickler hatte wegen Abschlußarbeit usw. keine Zeit mehr, nicht mal, sich zu verabschieden.
Wurde unter neuer Führung mit neuem Repository und neuer Leuchtturminstanz weitergeführt, aber ohne neue Website. Wurde wieder eingestellt, weil es für eine einzige Entwicklerin viel zuviel war, die ganzen alten Co-Entwickler von Firefish alle zu Iceshrimp gewechselt waren und keine neuen Mitentwickler angeheuert werden konnten. - Iceshrimp
Fork von Firefish von ehemaligen Firefish-Entwicklern. Rebased nach Misskey, weil es auf Firefish nicht weiterging. Erklärtes Ziel war, Stabilität über Calckeys Featuritis zu stellen.
Weil Misskeys Codebase an sich einiges an grundsätzlichen Macken hatte, wurde beschlossen, es ist einfacher, das ganze Zeugs von Grund auf neu zu schreiben, als zu versuchen, das alles auszubügeln. Und bei der Gelegenheit wollte man von JavaScript (TypeScript und Vue.js) weg. Also hat man angefangen, das ganze Ding in C# neu zu schreiben als Iceshrimp.NET. Ziel ist featuremäßige Deckungsgleichheit mit dem bisherigen Iceshrimp und gleichzeitig Anpassung an Mastodon. Iceshrimp.NET ist noch sehr unfertig.
Bei der Gelegenheit wurde das alte Iceshrimp in Iceshrimp-JS umbenannt und in den Wartungsmodus versetzt = gibt keine Weiterentwicklung und keine neuen Features mehr, nur Sicherheitspatches und evtl. Bugfixes. - Catodon
Soft-Fork von Firefish. Ziel war, ein Forkey zu haben, das sich in der Bedienung wie Mastodon anfühlt. Quasi Mastodon-Fassade mit *key-Struktur dahinter. Also ein Forkey für den möglichst leichten Umstieg von Mastodon nach *key.
Wurde, als Firefish endgültig eingestellt wurde und damit die Basis tot war, nach Iceshrimp rebased.
Nachdem Iceshrimp zu Iceshrimp-JS wurde und in den Wartungsmodus ging, hatte Catodon ein Problem: Man kann nicht einfach von etwas, das in TypeScript und Vue.js geschrieben ist, nach etwas rebasen, das in C# geschrieben ist (Iceshrimp.NET). Und zur Weiterentwicklung wäre ein Rebase nötig gewesen, weil man jetzt wieder eine fast tote Basis hatte. Aber nach Misskey wollte man nicht (siehe Hajkey weiter unten), und Sharkey war einerseits zu mächtig und andererseits zu kapriziös.
Inzwischen gehen Catodon die Instanzen ein. Die meisten dürften geschlossen worden sein. - Sharkey
Soft-Fork von Misskey mit dem Ziel, so ziemlich alles, was je für Forkeys an Features entwickelt worden war, in einen einzigen Forkey zu packen und noch mehr obendrauf.
Quasi das Yang zu Iceshrimps Yin. Machte lange den Eindruck, als gingen Features über Zuverlässigkeit. Sharkeys Implementation der Mastodon Client API war schon regelrecht legendär schlecht, und alle hofften auf den Retter, der daherkommt und die Implementation von Grund auf neu schreibt, weil sie als unrettbar im Eimer galt. Inzwischen soll Sharkey seine Zuverlässigkeit im Griff haben, zumindest insofern, wie auch Misskey zuverlässig ist.
Die Entwickler haben eine zweifelhafte Reputation. Unter anderem haben sie Crowdfunding-Gelder für einen Sharkey-Server gesammelt und von dem Geld einen Minecraft-Server aufgezogen, aber keinen Sharkey-Server. Mitunter wird deshalb zum Boykott von Sharkey aufgerufen. - CherryPick
Südkoreanischer Soft-Fork von Misskey. Tatsächlich älter als Sharkey, mindestens von 2021, aber später wurde wohl einiges von Sharkey nach CherryPick portiert. Das Ziel war, einen stabilen und zuverlässigen Forkey zu haben ohne die Macken von Sharkey und sogar ohne die Macken von Misskey, der aber gleichzeitig gut Features hat. Das ist wohl sogar weitestgehend gelungen.
Vom ästhetischen Stil her so ähnlich, wie Misskey früher mal war, also sehr auf den japanischen bzw. südkoreanischen Geschmack ausgelegt: bunt, grell, poppig, genki, kawaii. Alleine das zeigt, daß CherryPick von Misskey geforkt wurde, bevor Misskey gänzlich an den westlichen Geschmack angepaßt wurde.
Unklar, ob es Entwickler hat, die Englisch verstehen bzw. schreiben können; falls nicht, dann als Soft-Fork-Basis ungeeignet. Wäre ohne die Kommunikationsbarriere vermutlich der ultimative *key.
Mein letzter Stand: Bis auf eine Instanz im Großraum Washington, D.C. gibt es CherryPick-Instanzen nur in den Großräumen Tokyo und Seoul. War deshalb lange Zeit im westlichen Fediverse fast unbekannt. - FoundKey
Wohl der erste Forkey, der in PascalCase geschrieben wurde.
Meines Wissens direkter Soft-Fork von Misskey. Wird tatsächlich (oh Wunder) kleckerweise gepflegt, aber nicht für Instanzen mit mehr als 20 Nutzern empfohlen.
Ein paar andere *keys:
- Hajkey
Soft-Fork von Calckey, der meines Wissens erst nach Firefish und dann nach Misskey rebased wurde. Wurde exklusiv nur für eine einzige Instanz entwickelt: transfem.social. Inzwischen eingestellt, weil wohl der Aufwand, so einen Wolpertinger nur für eine Instanz zu pflegen (man rebaset nicht mal eben von Firefish nach Misskey), zu groß war. transfem.social wurde entsprechend auf Sharkey umgestellt und ist da jetzt eine der größten Instanzen. - Neko
Soft-Fork von Misskey mit dem Ziel, es tauglich für Docker zu machen. Laut Repository nur für eine einzige Instanz gebaut. Ist nie released worden, was aber Wurscht ist, wenn es eh nur einen Admin als Zielgruppe hatte.git fetchkönnen Releases nämlich piepegal sein. - Meisskey
Japanischer Soft-Fork von Misskey von 2019 (!), der aber lange Zeit der Weiterentwicklung der Basis hinterherhinkte. Wird tatsächlich immer noch weiterentwickelt. - Leisskey
Wiederum japanischer Soft-Fork von Meisskey. Ist seit mindestens 2021 in Entwicklung, seit Februar 2023 aber eine ewige Beta, weil es seit damals keinen Release mehr gegeben hat. Dürfte zu den letzten noch in Entwicklung befindlichen "Forkeys 2. Grades" gehören. - Tanukey
Weiterer japanischer Soft-Fork von Misskey und daher so obskur im Westen, daß man schon die Websuche anstrengen muß, um das Repository zu finden (ist wohl im letzten Oktober von GitHub nach GitLab umgezogen). Noch ein Beispiel für *keys, bei denen selbst das Wissen über ihre Existenz Ostasien kaum je verlassen hat. - Backspacekey
Noch ein ambitionierter, aber eingeschlafener westlicher Misskey-Soft-Fork.
Siehe übrigens auch die Delightful Fediverse Experience: hier und hier.
Verglichen damit ist die Familie von Mistpark bis Forte schon wieder übersichtlich, vor allem, wenn die anderen mehreren Dutzend toten Forkeys mit dazugeholt werden. Immerhin stammt von Mistpark bis Forte über etwa 15 Jahre alles vom selben Schöpfer, der einfach nur sein eigenes Zeug geforkt hat.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #IceshrimpJS #Iceshrimp.NET #Catodon #Sharkey #CherryPick #FoundKey #Hajkey #Neko #Meisskey #Leisskey #Tanukey #Backspacekey
Jupiter RowlandSo there's that nasty bug on Sharkey that mangles hashtags in messages from Hubzilla and probably also Friendica, (streams) and Forte. They always look like this:
#[Hashtag](https://hub.hubzilla.de/search?tag=Hashtag)
Basically, Sharkey receives fully standard Rich Text from Hubzilla. It manages to convert this Rich Text into its own Misskey-Flavored Markdown. But then its Markdown parser does not parse it and leaves the Markdown code visible to everyone. It simply doesn't expect there to be a hashtag character in front of an embedded link because, seriously, who'd ever do that and why?!
Friendica would. In fact, Friendica does. It puts the hashtag character in front of the tag, as in outside the tag, as opposed to at the beginning of the tag. It has been doing that since its beginnings in 2010 because it was designed from the get-go to also federate with StatusNet from 2008. And StatusNet does hashtags the same way on its few remaining servers. In fact, so did Identi.ca from 2008, from which StatusNet emerged.
Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte do it, too, because they have inherited it from Friendica.
On StatusNet, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, a hashtag in a message looks like this:
#Hashtag
Notice how the hashtag character has the same colour as the rest of the post text. And not the same colour as the rest of the hashtag. This means that the hashtag character is not part of the link. (To Mastodon users who don't know this: If something in a "toot" has a different colour from the rest of the "toot", it's a link. Even if it doesn't show a URL in plain sight.)
On 𝕏, Mastodon, Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, the various Forkeys and a whole lot of other Fediverse software, a hashtag in a message looks like this:
#Hashtag
Notice how now the hashtag character has the same colour as the rest of the hashtag. This means that the hashtag character is part of the link.
But why did Identi.ca do hashtags differently from Twitter? Because Identi.ca did hashtags before Twitter. AFAIK, when Identi.ca was launched, it had support for hashtags right away. About one year before Twitter.
The hashtag itself had already been invented by the Twitter community. Chris Messina had already codified it in 2007. But it wasn't until 2009 that Twitter actually introduced a technological implementation to support it.
Again, Identi.ca must have had hashtags as early as 2008, and there was no way that Identi.ca creator Evan Prodromou could possibly predict what Twitter would do the following year. So he did what he thought was right and what actually made sense to him.
But nowadays, everybody "knows" that Twitter had the world's very first hashtag implementation ever because nobody, even in the Fediverse, has ever heard of Identi.ca. I mean, the majority of Fediverse users "know" that the Fediverse started with Mastodon.
You know, just like Officer James Barrett "knew" that there is no intelligent life outside Earth only a few minutes before he became Agent J of the Men In Black.
This is also why just about all Fediverse software that does hashtags the Twitter way expects everything to do hashtags the Twitter way. It does not expect hashtags to be done differently. And when a message comes in from Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte with hashtags in it, it fails at varying degrees of ungracefully.
Hashtags with the hashtag character outside the link are older than hashtags with the hashtag character inside that they're not only completely unexpected, that they cause software to malfunction, but the same software often can't even handle that malfunction. It's a miracle that the Friendica/Hubzilla family doesn't cause Fediverse servers to crash or even server databases to go corrupt by simply sending hashtags.
Mastodon used to be an exception of sorts, but only because, before version 4.0 from October, 2022, its HTML "sanitiser" actually ripped out any and all rich text code from incoming messages and left nothing but plain text behind. And then it didn't recognise hashtags in messages from outside Mastodon as hashtags at all.
When Mastodon 4.0 came and supported some rich text, including embedded links, it went haywire, of course. But then someone from Friendica and Hubzilla went in and complained about this malfunction and explained what happened, why it happened and why it was not Friendica and Hubzilla that did things wrong. Besides, if something utterly defaces "toots", then Mastodon developers do step in to stop it. After all, Mastodon has a few more of them at hand, paid, full-time professionals even. You have to give it that.
Which takes us back to Sharkey. Sharkey is developed by a small handful of individuals in their spare time. Granted, it's a soft fork of Misskey, so a lot of development work is done by the Misskey devs and taken over by the Sharkey devs, but they still have to weave the code changes coming from Misskey in and make them work with what's different on Sharkey.
So it turned out that (Link content warning: eye contact) this bug has already been filed to the Sharkey devs in October, 2024. All that has happened since then until today was that Hazelnoot added two labels. But the bug report came with no explanations. In fact, it misattributed one of my Hubzilla posts as a Friendica post.
And in fact, it turned out that this is actually (Link content warning: Microsoft GitHub link, eye contact) a Misskey bug which has been filed in January, 2024, two years ago. The bug report is a bit more elaborate, but the reporter still knew precious little about what's going on. So I wrote a comment in which I explained the bug from a Friendica/Hubzilla POV as well as what's going on on the technical side, and why the error has to be on Misskey's side.
I hope this will finally help get the bug fixed. Unfortunately, this fix would come too late for Iceshrimp. Iceshrimp-JS is a true Forkey, but in maintenance mode, so I guess only security patches and critical bugfixes will be merged from Misskey, if anything. And Iceshrimp.NET is a complete rewrite of a pre-this-fix Misskey fork, so the Iceshrimp devs probably don't know about this issue either. If it fails ungracefully upon receiving hashtags with the hashtag character outside, it will require its own bug report.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Twitter #𝕏 #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Sharkey #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp-JS #Iceshrimp.NET #Identi.ca #Laconi.ca #StatusNet #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
#[Hashtag](https://hub.hubzilla.de/search?tag=Hashtag)
Basically, Sharkey receives fully standard Rich Text from Hubzilla. It manages to convert this Rich Text into its own Misskey-Flavored Markdown. But then its Markdown parser does not parse it and leaves the Markdown code visible to everyone. It simply doesn't expect there to be a hashtag character in front of an embedded link because, seriously, who'd ever do that and why?!
Friendica would. In fact, Friendica does. It puts the hashtag character in front of the tag, as in outside the tag, as opposed to at the beginning of the tag. It has been doing that since its beginnings in 2010 because it was designed from the get-go to also federate with StatusNet from 2008. And StatusNet does hashtags the same way on its few remaining servers. In fact, so did Identi.ca from 2008, from which StatusNet emerged.
Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte do it, too, because they have inherited it from Friendica.
On StatusNet, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, a hashtag in a message looks like this:
#Hashtag
Notice how the hashtag character has the same colour as the rest of the post text. And not the same colour as the rest of the hashtag. This means that the hashtag character is not part of the link. (To Mastodon users who don't know this: If something in a "toot" has a different colour from the rest of the "toot", it's a link. Even if it doesn't show a URL in plain sight.)
On 𝕏, Mastodon, Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, the various Forkeys and a whole lot of other Fediverse software, a hashtag in a message looks like this:
#Hashtag
Notice how now the hashtag character has the same colour as the rest of the hashtag. This means that the hashtag character is part of the link.
But why did Identi.ca do hashtags differently from Twitter? Because Identi.ca did hashtags before Twitter. AFAIK, when Identi.ca was launched, it had support for hashtags right away. About one year before Twitter.
The hashtag itself had already been invented by the Twitter community. Chris Messina had already codified it in 2007. But it wasn't until 2009 that Twitter actually introduced a technological implementation to support it.
Again, Identi.ca must have had hashtags as early as 2008, and there was no way that Identi.ca creator Evan Prodromou could possibly predict what Twitter would do the following year. So he did what he thought was right and what actually made sense to him.
But nowadays, everybody "knows" that Twitter had the world's very first hashtag implementation ever because nobody, even in the Fediverse, has ever heard of Identi.ca. I mean, the majority of Fediverse users "know" that the Fediverse started with Mastodon.
You know, just like Officer James Barrett "knew" that there is no intelligent life outside Earth only a few minutes before he became Agent J of the Men In Black.
This is also why just about all Fediverse software that does hashtags the Twitter way expects everything to do hashtags the Twitter way. It does not expect hashtags to be done differently. And when a message comes in from Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte with hashtags in it, it fails at varying degrees of ungracefully.
Hashtags with the hashtag character outside the link are older than hashtags with the hashtag character inside that they're not only completely unexpected, that they cause software to malfunction, but the same software often can't even handle that malfunction. It's a miracle that the Friendica/Hubzilla family doesn't cause Fediverse servers to crash or even server databases to go corrupt by simply sending hashtags.
Mastodon used to be an exception of sorts, but only because, before version 4.0 from October, 2022, its HTML "sanitiser" actually ripped out any and all rich text code from incoming messages and left nothing but plain text behind. And then it didn't recognise hashtags in messages from outside Mastodon as hashtags at all.
When Mastodon 4.0 came and supported some rich text, including embedded links, it went haywire, of course. But then someone from Friendica and Hubzilla went in and complained about this malfunction and explained what happened, why it happened and why it was not Friendica and Hubzilla that did things wrong. Besides, if something utterly defaces "toots", then Mastodon developers do step in to stop it. After all, Mastodon has a few more of them at hand, paid, full-time professionals even. You have to give it that.
Which takes us back to Sharkey. Sharkey is developed by a small handful of individuals in their spare time. Granted, it's a soft fork of Misskey, so a lot of development work is done by the Misskey devs and taken over by the Sharkey devs, but they still have to weave the code changes coming from Misskey in and make them work with what's different on Sharkey.
So it turned out that (Link content warning: eye contact) this bug has already been filed to the Sharkey devs in October, 2024. All that has happened since then until today was that Hazelnoot added two labels. But the bug report came with no explanations. In fact, it misattributed one of my Hubzilla posts as a Friendica post.
And in fact, it turned out that this is actually (Link content warning: Microsoft GitHub link, eye contact) a Misskey bug which has been filed in January, 2024, two years ago. The bug report is a bit more elaborate, but the reporter still knew precious little about what's going on. So I wrote a comment in which I explained the bug from a Friendica/Hubzilla POV as well as what's going on on the technical side, and why the error has to be on Misskey's side.
I hope this will finally help get the bug fixed. Unfortunately, this fix would come too late for Iceshrimp. Iceshrimp-JS is a true Forkey, but in maintenance mode, so I guess only security patches and critical bugfixes will be merged from Misskey, if anything. And Iceshrimp.NET is a complete rewrite of a pre-this-fix Misskey fork, so the Iceshrimp devs probably don't know about this issue either. If it fails ungracefully upon receiving hashtags with the hashtag character outside, it will require its own bug report.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Twitter #𝕏 #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Sharkey #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp-JS #Iceshrimp.NET #Identi.ca #Laconi.ca #StatusNet #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
So there's that nasty bug on Sharkey that mangles hashtags in messages from Hubzilla and probably also Friendica, (streams) and Forte. They always look like this:
#[Hashtag](https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hashtag)
Basically, Sharkey receives fully standard Rich Text from Hubzilla. It manages to convert this Rich Text into its own Misskey-Flavored Markdown. But then its Markdown parser does not parse it and leaves the Markdown code visible to everyone. It simply doesn't expect there to be a hashtag character in front of an embedded link because, seriously, who'd ever do that and why?!
Friendica would. In fact, Friendica does. It puts the hashtag character in front of the tag, as in outside the tag, as opposed to at the beginning of the tag. It has been doing that since its beginnings in 2010 because it was designed from the get-go to also federate with StatusNet from 2008. And StatusNet does hashtags the same way on its few remaining servers. In fact, so did Identi.ca from 2008, from which StatusNet emerged.
Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte do it, too, because they have inherited it from Friendica.
On StatusNet, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, a hashtag in a message looks like this:
#Hashtag
Notice how the hashtag character has the same colour as the rest of the post text. And not the same colour as the rest of the hashtag. This means that the hashtag character is not part of the link. (To Mastodon users who don't know this: If something in a "toot" has a different colour from the rest of the "toot", it's a link. Even if it doesn't show a URL in plain sight.)
On 𝕏, Mastodon, Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, the various Forkeys and a whole lot of other Fediverse software, a hashtag in a message looks like this:
#Hashtag
Notice how now the hashtag character has the same colour as the rest of the hashtag. This means that the hashtag character is part of the link.
But why did Identi.ca do hashtags differently from Twitter? Because Identi.ca did hashtags before Twitter. AFAIK, when Identi.ca was launched, it had support for hashtags right away. About one year before Twitter.
The hashtag itself had already been invented by the Twitter community. Chris Messina had already codified it in 2007. But it wasn't until 2009 that Twitter actually introduced a technological implementation to support it.
Again, Identi.ca must have had hashtags as early as 2008, and there was no way that Identi.ca creator Evan Prodromou could possibly predict what Twitter would do the following year. So he did what he thought was right and what actually made sense to him.
But nowadays, everybody "knows" that Twitter had the world's very first hashtag implementation ever because nobody, even in the Fediverse, has ever heard of Identi.ca. I mean, the majority of Fediverse users "know" that the Fediverse started with Mastodon.
You know, just like Officer James Barrett "knew" that there is no intelligent life outside Earth only a few minutes before he became Agent J of the Men In Black.
This is also why just about all Fediverse software that does hashtags the Twitter way expects everything to do hashtags the Twitter way. It does not expect hashtags to be done differently. And when a message comes in from Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte with hashtags in it, it fails at varying degrees of ungracefully.
Hashtags with the hashtag character outside the link are older than hashtags with the hashtag character inside that they're not only completely unexpected, that they cause software to malfunction, but the same software often can't even handle that malfunction. It's a miracle that the Friendica/Hubzilla family doesn't cause Fediverse servers to crash or even server databases to go corrupt by simply sending hashtags.
Mastodon used to be an exception of sorts, but only because, before version 4.0 from October, 2022, its HTML "sanitiser" actually ripped out any and all rich text code from incoming messages and left nothing but plain text behind. And then it didn't recognise hashtags in messages from outside Mastodon as hashtags at all.
When Mastodon 4.0 came and supported some rich text, including embedded links, it went haywire, of course. But then someone from Friendica and Hubzilla went in and complained about this malfunction and explained what happened, why it happened and why it was not Friendica and Hubzilla that did things wrong. Besides, if something utterly defaces "toots", then Mastodon developers do step in to stop it. After all, Mastodon has a few more of them at hand, paid, full-time professionals even. You have to give it that.
Which takes us back to Sharkey. Sharkey is developed by a small handful of individuals in their spare time. Granted, it's a soft fork of Misskey, so a lot of development work is done by the Misskey devs and taken over by the Sharkey devs, but they still have to weave the code changes coming from Misskey in and make them work with what's different on Sharkey.
So it turned out that (Link content warning: eye contact) this bug has already been filed to the Sharkey devs in October, 2024. All that has happened since then until today was that Hazelnoot added two labels. But the bug report came with no explanations. In fact, it misattributed one of my Hubzilla posts as a Friendica post.
And in fact, it turned out that this is actually (Link content warning: Microsoft GitHub link, eye contact) a Misskey bug which has been filed in January, 2024, two years ago. The bug report is a bit more elaborate, but the reporter still knew precious little about what's going on. So I wrote a comment in which I explained the bug from a Friendica/Hubzilla POV as well as what's going on on the technical side, and why the error has to be on Misskey's side.
I hope this will finally help get the bug fixed. Unfortunately, this fix would come too late for Iceshrimp. Iceshrimp-JS is a true Forkey, but in maintenance mode, so I guess only security patches and critical bugfixes will be merged from Misskey, if anything. And Iceshrimp.NET is a complete rewrite of a pre-this-fix Misskey fork, so the Iceshrimp devs probably don't know about this issue either. If it fails ungracefully upon receiving hashtags with the hashtag character outside, it will require its own bug report.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Twitter #𝕏 #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Sharkey #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp-JS #Iceshrimp.NET #Identi.ca #Laconi.ca #StatusNet #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
#[Hashtag](https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hashtag)
Basically, Sharkey receives fully standard Rich Text from Hubzilla. It manages to convert this Rich Text into its own Misskey-Flavored Markdown. But then its Markdown parser does not parse it and leaves the Markdown code visible to everyone. It simply doesn't expect there to be a hashtag character in front of an embedded link because, seriously, who'd ever do that and why?!
Friendica would. In fact, Friendica does. It puts the hashtag character in front of the tag, as in outside the tag, as opposed to at the beginning of the tag. It has been doing that since its beginnings in 2010 because it was designed from the get-go to also federate with StatusNet from 2008. And StatusNet does hashtags the same way on its few remaining servers. In fact, so did Identi.ca from 2008, from which StatusNet emerged.
Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte do it, too, because they have inherited it from Friendica.
On StatusNet, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, a hashtag in a message looks like this:
#Hashtag
Notice how the hashtag character has the same colour as the rest of the post text. And not the same colour as the rest of the hashtag. This means that the hashtag character is not part of the link. (To Mastodon users who don't know this: If something in a "toot" has a different colour from the rest of the "toot", it's a link. Even if it doesn't show a URL in plain sight.)
On 𝕏, Mastodon, Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, the various Forkeys and a whole lot of other Fediverse software, a hashtag in a message looks like this:
#Hashtag
Notice how now the hashtag character has the same colour as the rest of the hashtag. This means that the hashtag character is part of the link.
But why did Identi.ca do hashtags differently from Twitter? Because Identi.ca did hashtags before Twitter. AFAIK, when Identi.ca was launched, it had support for hashtags right away. About one year before Twitter.
The hashtag itself had already been invented by the Twitter community. Chris Messina had already codified it in 2007. But it wasn't until 2009 that Twitter actually introduced a technological implementation to support it.
Again, Identi.ca must have had hashtags as early as 2008, and there was no way that Identi.ca creator Evan Prodromou could possibly predict what Twitter would do the following year. So he did what he thought was right and what actually made sense to him.
But nowadays, everybody "knows" that Twitter had the world's very first hashtag implementation ever because nobody, even in the Fediverse, has ever heard of Identi.ca. I mean, the majority of Fediverse users "know" that the Fediverse started with Mastodon.
You know, just like Officer James Barrett "knew" that there is no intelligent life outside Earth only a few minutes before he became Agent J of the Men In Black.
This is also why just about all Fediverse software that does hashtags the Twitter way expects everything to do hashtags the Twitter way. It does not expect hashtags to be done differently. And when a message comes in from Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte with hashtags in it, it fails at varying degrees of ungracefully.
Hashtags with the hashtag character outside the link are older than hashtags with the hashtag character inside that they're not only completely unexpected, that they cause software to malfunction, but the same software often can't even handle that malfunction. It's a miracle that the Friendica/Hubzilla family doesn't cause Fediverse servers to crash or even server databases to go corrupt by simply sending hashtags.
Mastodon used to be an exception of sorts, but only because, before version 4.0 from October, 2022, its HTML "sanitiser" actually ripped out any and all rich text code from incoming messages and left nothing but plain text behind. And then it didn't recognise hashtags in messages from outside Mastodon as hashtags at all.
When Mastodon 4.0 came and supported some rich text, including embedded links, it went haywire, of course. But then someone from Friendica and Hubzilla went in and complained about this malfunction and explained what happened, why it happened and why it was not Friendica and Hubzilla that did things wrong. Besides, if something utterly defaces "toots", then Mastodon developers do step in to stop it. After all, Mastodon has a few more of them at hand, paid, full-time professionals even. You have to give it that.
Which takes us back to Sharkey. Sharkey is developed by a small handful of individuals in their spare time. Granted, it's a soft fork of Misskey, so a lot of development work is done by the Misskey devs and taken over by the Sharkey devs, but they still have to weave the code changes coming from Misskey in and make them work with what's different on Sharkey.
So it turned out that (Link content warning: eye contact) this bug has already been filed to the Sharkey devs in October, 2024. All that has happened since then until today was that Hazelnoot added two labels. But the bug report came with no explanations. In fact, it misattributed one of my Hubzilla posts as a Friendica post.
And in fact, it turned out that this is actually (Link content warning: Microsoft GitHub link, eye contact) a Misskey bug which has been filed in January, 2024, two years ago. The bug report is a bit more elaborate, but the reporter still knew precious little about what's going on. So I wrote a comment in which I explained the bug from a Friendica/Hubzilla POV as well as what's going on on the technical side, and why the error has to be on Misskey's side.
I hope this will finally help get the bug fixed. Unfortunately, this fix would come too late for Iceshrimp. Iceshrimp-JS is a true Forkey, but in maintenance mode, so I guess only security patches and critical bugfixes will be merged from Misskey, if anything. And Iceshrimp.NET is a complete rewrite of a pre-this-fix Misskey fork, so the Iceshrimp devs probably don't know about this issue either. If it fails ungracefully upon receiving hashtags with the hashtag character outside, it will require its own bug report.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Twitter #𝕏 #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Sharkey #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp-JS #Iceshrimp.NET #Identi.ca #Laconi.ca #StatusNet #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
@tux0r :openbsd: "Forkey" bezeichnet Forks von Misskey, Forks von Forks von Misskey usw.
Iceshrimp.NET fällt da nicht drunter, weil es komplett neu geschrieben wird. Es ist vom Funktionsumfang her noch ziemlich mager. Das Ziel des Rewrite war, soweit ich weiß, zum einen, die Macken loszuwerden, die alle Forkeys von Misskey geerbt hatten, und zum anderen von JavaScript wegzukommen (Misskey und alle Forkeys sind in TypeScript und Vue.js geschrieben).
Aber gut, es gibt auch viele, die sich nicht vorstellen können, daß gute Serversoftware in PHP geschrieben sein kann. Mike Macgirvin entwickelt seit jeher in PHP. Und was er baut, ist nicht nur sehr mächtig und fortschrittlich, sondern auch noch leicht zu installieren und zu administrieren und weniger leistungshungrig als Mastodon.
Relatierter Memepost auf meinem Fediverse-Meme-Kanal.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Forkey #Forkeys #Iceshrimp.NET
Iceshrimp.NET fällt da nicht drunter, weil es komplett neu geschrieben wird. Es ist vom Funktionsumfang her noch ziemlich mager. Das Ziel des Rewrite war, soweit ich weiß, zum einen, die Macken loszuwerden, die alle Forkeys von Misskey geerbt hatten, und zum anderen von JavaScript wegzukommen (Misskey und alle Forkeys sind in TypeScript und Vue.js geschrieben).
Aber gut, es gibt auch viele, die sich nicht vorstellen können, daß gute Serversoftware in PHP geschrieben sein kann. Mike Macgirvin entwickelt seit jeher in PHP. Und was er baut, ist nicht nur sehr mächtig und fortschrittlich, sondern auch noch leicht zu installieren und zu administrieren und weniger leistungshungrig als Mastodon.
Relatierter Memepost auf meinem Fediverse-Meme-Kanal.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Forkey #Forkeys #Iceshrimp.NET
tux0r :openbsd: (@[email protected])
24.5K Posts, 273 Following, 507 Followers · Es tanzt ein Biberputzemann um unsern Biber rum, fidibum. Solipsistischer Hedonist (platonisch) / „zwielichtiger Kantonist“ (Quelle: Internet) / Anarchist (antidogmatisch) / echter Hacker™ / #ActuallyAutistic / schlechte Witze en masse. One hand on the rose.
@Herr TurTur @crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts @tux0r :openbsd: Die Idee hinter Sharkey war mal, in einen einzigen Forkey quasi alles auf einmal reinzuschmeißen bis hin zur Küchenspüle. Das fiel vor allem auf, als es noch mehr lebendige Forkeys zur Auswahl gab.
Und in der Zeit hatte Sharkey auch noch gewisse Macken, z. B. eine schon legendär unzuverlässige Implementation der Mastodon Client API, wo es hieß, am besten setzt sich einer hin und schreibt die neu. Wer was Zuverlässiges wollte, setzte damals auf Iceshrimp. Sharkey war für wagemutige Spielkinder, die sich an Hubzilla nicht rantrauten.
Inzwischen ist Calckey tot, Firefish ist tot, Iceshrimp-JS ist im Wartungsmodus (Iceshrimp.NET ist derweil noch meilenweit von "fertig" entfernt), Catodon ist auch schon siech, und das nur für eine Instanz gebaute Hajkey ist schon verwest.
CherryPick hat fast nur Server in den Großräumen Tokyo und Seoul und fühlt sich so auf den ostasiatischen Geschmack ausgelegt an wie vor ein paar Jahren noch Misskey selbst. Vielleicht erinnern sich ein paar noch daran, wie Misskey mal den Charme japanischer Verkaufsautomaten hatte.
Und der ganze noch lebende Rest scheint selbst mit Misskeys Entwicklung nicht mithalten zu können, also im Kern veraltet zu sein.
Derweil ist Sharkey wohl inzwischen ziemlich zuverlässig. So ist es zumindest im Westen zum einzigen noch nennenswerten Forkey avanciert.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Sharkey #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp-JS #Iceshrimp.NET #Catodon #Hajkey #CherryPick
Und in der Zeit hatte Sharkey auch noch gewisse Macken, z. B. eine schon legendär unzuverlässige Implementation der Mastodon Client API, wo es hieß, am besten setzt sich einer hin und schreibt die neu. Wer was Zuverlässiges wollte, setzte damals auf Iceshrimp. Sharkey war für wagemutige Spielkinder, die sich an Hubzilla nicht rantrauten.
Inzwischen ist Calckey tot, Firefish ist tot, Iceshrimp-JS ist im Wartungsmodus (Iceshrimp.NET ist derweil noch meilenweit von "fertig" entfernt), Catodon ist auch schon siech, und das nur für eine Instanz gebaute Hajkey ist schon verwest.
CherryPick hat fast nur Server in den Großräumen Tokyo und Seoul und fühlt sich so auf den ostasiatischen Geschmack ausgelegt an wie vor ein paar Jahren noch Misskey selbst. Vielleicht erinnern sich ein paar noch daran, wie Misskey mal den Charme japanischer Verkaufsautomaten hatte.
Und der ganze noch lebende Rest scheint selbst mit Misskeys Entwicklung nicht mithalten zu können, also im Kern veraltet zu sein.
Derweil ist Sharkey wohl inzwischen ziemlich zuverlässig. So ist es zumindest im Westen zum einzigen noch nennenswerten Forkey avanciert.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Sharkey #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp-JS #Iceshrimp.NET #Catodon #Hajkey #CherryPick
tux0r :openbsd: (@[email protected])
24.5K Posts, 273 Following, 507 Followers · Es tanzt ein Biberputzemann um unsern Biber rum, fidibum. Solipsistischer Hedonist (platonisch) / „zwielichtiger Kantonist“ (Quelle: Internet) / Anarchist (antidogmatisch) / echter Hacker™ / #ActuallyAutistic / schlechte Witze en masse. One hand on the rose.
🇺🇦𖤐AlderForrest 𖤐 🇺🇦Lomatuusailut jatkuvat: #iceshrimpnet instanssin divergent.1m2lab.engineer siirto toiselle koneelle käynnissä. #friendica instanssi social.porotokka.net jo siirretty ja fiksailtu. 
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