@clankussy my problem is that @GrapheneOS are a bunch of snobbish dipshits that completely ignore the reality of most people.

  • And their behaviour on #SocialMedia lets me to rather blow the money at #GSMK than #Motorola cuz they at least have competent support for their "call for pricibg" devices…

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The CryptoPhone 700 is a secure mobile phone with hardened OS, tamper-resistant hardware and end-to-end voice and message encryption.

@F3715H @maddy true, true.

@GrapheneOS / #GrapheneOS partnering with #AntiRepairDesign - Fans of #Motorola who literally argue against #LongTermSupport of their devices in defiance to @EUCommission standards are just bad.

  • I'll take them serious once they stop bootlicking manufacturers and actually realize that the only reason any of them would partner is clout - chasing...
    • At this point I'd rather buy some devices from #GSMK cuz worst-case I can #SelfHost that...

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@yourfutureex besides @nitrokey I only know @libreleah selling #OpenSourveFirmware devices, tho not hardened

  • And yes, I see the problem too...

AFAIK #GSMK - and @monocles only sell #Smartphones, not Laptops or Desktops!

@halotroop2288 +9001%?
The only cirrect approach is to use #FLOSS that isn't shacked to a proprietary #Govware of a corporation that happily serves it's customers' data on a silver platter when asked about it.

@tudbut well, there are some options...

Consider @monocles or @nitrokey ' devices or #GSMK CryptoPhones.

"Hergestellt wird das System von der ukrainischen Firma First Contact, in Kooperation mit dem deutschen, auf Verschlüsselungstechnik spezialisierten Unternehmen #GSMK."
Drohnenabwehr hätte ich jetzt nicht als deren Kernkompetenz auf dem Schirm gehabt. Das ist doch schon diese Firma aus dem CCC-Umfeld mit dem CryptoPhone oder?

@micahflee lemme guess: @eff just took a multi-network eSIM and multi-network WWAN modules to scan for "#deauth" / "#EvilTwin" attacks?

Cuz I remember @heiseonline or @golem actually suggest this as a method to detect #IMSIcatchers without requiring an expensive #SDR:

  • By precisely looking when which WWAN stick (for #3G back then) got disconnected and warning if they all got disconnected & reconnected at the same time...

AFAIK #GSMK uses that same technique for their #Baseband-#Firewall to automatically detect #Interception attempts and deploy countermeasures!

@AAKL @TechCrunch @lorenzofb nothing new - this is a constant issue since #GSM was designed, including the ability to #downgrade the #link and #disable any #encryption without the user being notified.

AFAIK there are few devices that even have a "#Baseband #Firewall" (I'm not shure @GrapheneOS has, but I know #GSMK's Devices since the Cryptophone 500 have...

@icedquinn @tasket even then I'm shure they didn't even come close to the security requirements of @GrapheneOS ...

Since #GSMK's work is "source available" I'd love to see how much they are similar, but I know that none of the #GrapheneOS devs will even look at that code for legitimate reasons...

@krutonium @tasket

OFC, I don't expect @GrapheneOS to churn out a device in record time - that's not how it works...

I merely acknowledge this as a necessary long-term shift that'll take 5-10+ years and lots of funding.

Tho with companies like #GSMK making decent revenue, it's expectable that #Graphene could really get #funding or at least #vendors to partner with them.

  • Personally I wished #Fairphone and/or #shift would see this as a chance to like actually work on making their future devices not just #repairable but #secure from the factory!