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#AI eliminated the natural barrier to entry that let OSS projects trust by default.
To me, this reads:
Corporate automation eliminated the natural barrier to entry that let #OSS projects trust by default.
I'm not much sure what you meant with "trust by default", but for sure #opensource projects never let unreviewed code in from strangers.

That what forks were for.

Now, since your automation won't prevent forks, it looks either pointless or just divisive.

I mean, forks are good!

But are you sure that automated contributor managenent can solve automated theft and regurgitation by corporations?
Who and how someone is vouched or denounced is up to the project. I'm not the value police for the world.
If it's your code that executes the "flat text file" in the repository, you are in control.

If your project spreads, you would be in the position to execute a wide variety of #SupplyChain and #DDoS attacks.

Even if you wouldn't, anybody taking control of your repo could, turning such repo into a high-value target.

You should really take effective #security measure to avoid this outcome.

For example you could force downstream project to fork and adapt your scripts by only ever pushing on your repo slightly broken code.

Eg, you could apply before each push an easy to invert

find vouch/|grep nu|xargs -n 1 sed -i 's/use/!!!BrOkEN!!!/g'
This way no one coukd directly use your GitHub actions without reviewing them and nobody would need to #trust you or your security practices.

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Also, #GitHub?
The reign of #CopyALot?
I guess projects still there face no trust collapse in AI contributions and in contributing to AI.

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First it's important to note that over years I realized that #OSI is just a corporate (and US-led) gatekeeper organization that serve the very interests their sponsors.
You can easily see this reading their license review mailing while keeping a tab opened on the sponsors page of the day through the #WaybackMachine.
Just as a couple of example, they rejected #MongoDB's #SSPL while #Amazon was their major sponsor and adopted CAL that was way more contentious.

The last damage that OSI did to our communities has been the #Meta dictated #OSAID (OpenSource #AI Definition) better known as #OpenWashing Definition, that superseed the #OSD and does not require training data sharing, voiding the freedom to study and welcoming toxic candies within "open source" just to avoid the #AIAct requirements.

So I don't care about OSI opinion about the #HackingLicense (or about anything else).

Having said that, you are right that its first condition forbid any use of the covered work that would limit third party access or use of it.

So basically you can't use your freedom to limit the freedom of others.

Is it still a free license?
Never asked to #RMS or #FSF, but I guess that such formal constraint makes it "not free" to their eyes.

What they miss, imho, is that freedom without communion is always going to be exploited by the strongers (under #capitalism, the rich) to oppress the weakest (everybody else, the workers, the customers, the environment...) as #LLM are showing these days.

In fact the latest version of the #HackingLicense was written in response ti #GitHub #Copilot (aka #CopyALot), after it distributed #GPLv3 code from #Quake with a wrong attribution and a permissive license.

The Hacking License is a dependency inversion: if you use data or code covered by it, anything that come out can be used under such license.
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This post was written May 2025, and the arguments apply to #AI code capabilities at this time. The arguments around lack of competence are certainly likely to become less prevalent...
Questo comunque rimane pensiero magico: se l'autore comprendesse come funzionano i #LLM non sarebbe tanto ottimista sulle "competenze" che #CopyALot potrà acquisire.

@irenes

I think @rms did a huge error basing what was a hacker¹ movement on the value of freedom alone.

#Freedom (like #Communion) is a totalizant value, a value that can blind people from other important values, so much that it's the foundational value of #Capitalism (much like what #Communion was for #Comunism).

As we can all see that #FreeSoftware lost its political goals, being used much more to reduce human freedom than to increase it (#Google and #Facebook would not exists without exploiting huge amount of developers' work donated as Free Software, much like #GitHub #Copilot / #CopyALot), we should really move to something different.

Years ago I wrote the #HackingLicense ² to this aim, a (network) #copyleft license (and a shrink-wrap contract) that has been used successfully in a couple of projects.

It doesn't forbid commercial use of the covered works and even share the copyright with the users that comply with the license itself, BUT contractually impose a complete reciprocity, as any work that benefit in any way from the covered work must be distributed in the same way.

IOW, if you use my work under the Hacking License, I can use and distribute your work under the same terms. Even if it's a LLM, or a software including its output.

I'm not sure the Hacking License is the best tool to get back freedom, communion and #Curiosity, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

¹ http://www.tesio.it/2020/09/03/not_all_hackers_are_americans.html
² http://www.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt

@krans @glyph @eb

Not all hackers are... Americans

Giacomo Tesio - Not all hackers are... Americans.

Giacomo Tesio

@vorlon

Soon after its release, GitHub #Copylot was caught distributing #GPLv3 code from Quake 3 Arena, with a wrong attribution and permissive MIT-like license. That's why I call it #CopyALot.

For a famous piece of copylefted code tht was recognized, the work of thousands of less known free software developer is going to be included in proprietary products without even the offending developers being aware of the theft.

#LLM "trained" on #OpemSource software can only be used to ethic-wash the practice, so that most of opensource developers won't realize how they are fooled and their work expropriated.

@zacchiro @joeyh

@mmu_man

Except one that hides to the users the source they are copying, helping them to violate any open-source license that requires proper attribution and, what's worse, any #copyleft imposing reciprocity https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/E5R5lsfXoAQDRkE.mp4

That's why I wrote the #HackingLicense http://www.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt so that when we will be able to prove that #Copilot distributed any work under such license, we will have to assume that #Microsoft accepted the license, that the "models" of #CopyALot are used under its terms and thus all the software that adopted its "suggestions" can be used under its terms too.

@BrodieOnLinux