@brandonking Absolutely get where they're coming from, tho I have the nagging suspicion we might be too insulated to notice a majority of technically illiterate millennials.

We definitely were privileged by virtue of timing, tho – experiencing mobile connectivity and the internet from pretty early days.

Getting into all that at a time when there's already this mind-bogglingly humongous mass of services, networks and abstractions all piled on top of each other must be disorienting af.

@nihl Completely valid, just be aware that there's limitations.

If you want paginated lists of teasers for example, you'll have to maintain the pagination in every single page of the listing.

Many things that would be solved with a loop or conditional in a template will require continuous maintenance (possibly over multiple files) and should be avoided if possible.

@nihl Yeah, and I'll admit that I frowned upon using them once upon a time, too. But in my defense, I was writing php back then, so maybe you shouldn't mind.

The only really valid reason IMO is that you can integrate more complex display logic in templates, but if you're averse to templating and want to avoid it, using frames looks like a very sensible approach.

@nihl Haven't tried in ages. IIRC frame and frameset have technically been deprecated a long time ago, but were never dropped by browsers for HTML4 compatibility reasons.

iframe is definitely still a thing that I see in the wild and there's also embed and object tags that serve similar purposes with slightly different semantics.