@pigworker no shit! (But a positive shit)

I’ve long thought about the tools we give learners when thinking about how we teach programming.

We can compare programming languages and their standard libraries with tools for carpentry.

I had many toys of various sharpness, as I progressed, when being taught basic wood working. First plastic tools, then real and kid friendly saws and hammers, then a proper toolkit.

We do not do this with programming (or theorem proving). Learners need training wheels (e.g. a learner focused prelude) before being sent to the standard prelude!

@mevenlennonbertrand @jesper @gallais @jonmsterling not cool but Dagsthul…

Although, iiuc, it’s not the kind of thing Daghtul is for. But Scotland could lead forwards with an FP Castle sort of gig….

@maxsnew @koronkebitch well in my first year I was reading joint CS & Philo, & Maths. These subjects were my major and minor subjects. But really major, minor, & tertiary. My second year was CS & Maths as Major and Minor. My subject choices meant I could choose either for my honours years, as I had the prerequisites.

More so my subject choices also meant that I had a rich basic education of these related subjects *prior* to specialising. Giving me a broad overview of them all.

There are foundational subjects that we, as Science majors, should take. We need complimentary subjects that enrich our thinking, and the complement here (for science) is the Humanities (ethics, classics, philosophy). CS Majors specialise wayto early as our subject is broad mixing engineering and hard/social sciences.

Forgetting Humanities means forgetting what it means to be human and thus how to be divine. There is a a reason why the meme is: science tells you how to clone Dinosaurs; Humanities tells you why it’s a bad idea.

@lindsey oops! Missed that part about standards.

Regardless, good luck with this. I wholeheartedly support this endeavour!

@lindsey I do not it think it is a waste of time. Especially if you can match the person to the topic being taught, and a bonus if that person is from an underrepresented group!

Remember that the years when OPLSS had an all female line up, those years were both a statement that these people exist (compare to the usual suspects) and validation of those speakers tenure and ideas.