@timbray The headaches of trying to get the browser to let my password manager be responsible for passkeys rather than Apple or Google in the browser was a terrible experience.

Not being able to easily see what sites had passkeys, or which passkey would be used if I had multiple accounts at a site also sucks.

Passwords with a password manager and TOTP for 2FA have at least had multiple years of user experience feedback, and it’s possible to avoid lock-in by choosing your own vendor.

@garius
ISO3103:2019 (latest version), doesn’t seem to resolve the milk before/after debate.

“Prepare the liquor as described in 7.2.1 but pour it into the bowl after the milk, in order to avoid scalding the milk, unless this procedure is contrary to the normal practice in the organization concerned.

If the milk is added afterwards, experience has shown that the best results are obtained when the temperature of the liquor is in the range 65 deg to 80 deg when the milk is added”