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Does aromantic mean no sex and no love, or just no love?
Because I will fuck anything that moves, but I don't allow myself to have feelings for them. No romance is the way I keep myself safe, as someone who suffers from borderline
@BackFromTheDud @CosmickTrigger
No, there's no flag for "will fuck anything that moves" ;)
What she described is explicitly NOT polyamorous because polyamorous is about loving multiple people. That requires romance.
Ethical non-monagamy is an umbrella term that encompasses polyamory and the various flavors of people who are ok with their partners having sex and/or relationships with others.
Someone who just has sex with one person after another could be a standard serial monogamist.
@BackFromTheDud @CosmickTrigger she literally said she doesn't allow herself to have romantic feelings so no.
BUT even if she did have feelings, that wouldn't be polyamory.
It's only a poly relationship if multiple simultaneous ongoing romantic relationships WITH informed consent from all parties. You're only a poly person IF you're 👍 with all that (regardless of if you're in a relationship at the moment)
blip blip blip would just be serial monogamy (regardless of feelings)
@BackFromTheDud @CosmickTrigger
it makes a difference because representation matters. Seeing those flags helps people to see possibilities that might reflect them and help them to find themselves, or find community.
The other stuff is important because poly people are effing sick of everyone assuming being polyamorous is just about sex.
I don't care who has sex with who, but I hate people assuming that my ability to love multiple people is the same as a free pass to fuck whoever I want.
@masukomi We could subdivide it further, if you like. Nothing like multiple-layers of sexuality to plough through before you find the one that fits. OR, we could just call the individual a "Slut" and have done with it, just like before?
I think both of us are overthinking this to an unhelpful degree. Can we call a timeout?
I object to the term "serial monogamist" for my sexual behavior.
Especially since I have had a lifelong disdain for serial monogamists. This may seem odd for someone with borderline (since borderlines' self-worth is often tied to a partner) but serial monogamists go from one romantic relationship to another in perpetuity. They HAVE to be dating someone to have sex with them (or begin dating right after the first act of sexual congress) but the relationship never lasts. These people have a string of romantic relationships over and over again. I honestly think it is kind of pathetic.
I was always brutally honest about what I wanted: no strings attached sex. One-night stands. What the erotica writer Erica Jong called a "zipless fuck." No romance involved. And since I lived in New Orleans, a city where people go to cut loose and engage in debaucherous behavior, the people I fucked were the *perfect* kind of people: the kind getting on a plane and going back to whatever corner of the world they were from the next day. I probably had sex with people from every continent on Earth.
Serial monogamists go from one empty relationship to another, never finding fulfillment in them. They're lying to themselves.
My relationships may have been devoid of any real connection, but I least I was honest with myself and my sexual partners about it
@CosmickTrigger I'd add 2 things to what @harmonia_amanda said.
asexual is an umbrella term for "little to no" sexual desire. So it includes demisexuals who would theoretically desire sex once they've developed romantic feelings for a person.
1/2
@CosmickTrigger @harmonia_amanda
Separately, I there's a difference between how you describe yourself and aromantic. Not _allowing_ yourself to have those feelings is different from not being _able_ to have those feelings.
With an aromantic person it's not about holding themselves back so much as not having little to no romantic feelings regardless of how much they might wish for them.
To be clear I'm NOT making a value judgment on your choice, just saying I don't believe it's the same
2/2
@masukomi @CosmickTrigger @harmonia_amanda
1) "being unable to fall in love" is the simpler and more used definition of aromantism but imo it doesn't cover all lived experiences of aros.
A lot of us don't know what romantic love is like or how to distinguish it from platonic love and therefore can't say we never fall in love.
Some of us feel as sense of dread to the idea of being in a romantic relationship, or it might not be the right way to connect with other people for us.
#aromantism
@masukomi @CosmickTrigger @harmonia_amanda
There are a lot of discussion about how romantic relationships feel like a script (see sociological theories of sexual scripts)
Some aro people say they can control wether they have romantic feelings. If think most zedromantic people believe you don't choose to have romantic feelings.
2)I know the question of choice is a complicated one, it has been discussed a lot with the political lesbianism movement.
#aromantism
@masukomi @CosmickTrigger @harmonia_amanda
For myself I don't believe my orientation is
choice but stopping denying it and not forcing myself into something that doesn't feel right was a choice. More generally i believe that in our western individualistic societies we tend to overestimate the part of choice vs social determinism.
#aromantism
@masukomi @CosmickTrigger @harmonia_amanda
3) who is allowed to call themselves aro. My position is self-determination. It's not up to me or you to decide wether someone is aromantic. The only one who can know is the person themselves. through researching different definitions, testimonies, discussing with aromantic people, and experiencing with relationship modes.
#aromantism
@masukomi @CosmickTrigger @harmonia_amanda
4)Like other queer categories there is no "one true definition" of aromanticism. There is a simple definition we give the people to introduce them to the concept.
#aromantism
@masukomi @CosmickTrigger @harmonia_amanda
5)I would define aromanticism as feeling alienated, "outside ", traditional couple and romance. Not wanting to
participate in traditional romantic/couple structure/scripts.
Being unable to feel/recognise/distinguish from platonic feeling "romantic feeling".
This is A definition but not THE definition.
#aromantism
@eowyn @masukomi @CosmickTrigger thank you for taking the time to elaborate where I was a little glib.
It's the same on the asexuality spectrum of course; it's a spectrum, not a rigid definition.
Some asexuals masturbate, some have no desire to do so. Some have sexual lives, because even if they don't have physical *desire*, they can get mechanically aroused and might want to please their partner. Some never want to have sex at all.
Some can actually have a sexual drive but only under some particular circumstances (greysexuals, demisexuals, etc.).
It's good to remember in general that those terms are umbrella terms and can cover a number of idiosyncratic situations.
I'm just gonna add to my comment.
I know what polyamory is. I was in a relationship with two people (a man and a woman) I lived with. We literally slept in the same bed together. And my wife and I had a woman named Shadow who didn't live with us, but we loved and we all had sex and slept in the same bed together.
I know what asexuality is. My trans BFF is ace on the demisexual scale.
And I HAVE been in love before. And it nearly killed me. Suicide attempts. Alcoholism and drugs and overdoses.
But I have slept with over 400 people. (I lived in New Orleans, the horniest city IN THE WORLD.) My best relationships lasted hours, not months.
To say I am INCAPABLE of romance is not true. But the horrific abuse I suffered as a kid means I have hidden my heart behind a very thick brick wall that is guarded with machine guns and grenade launchers.
Also, I'm AMAB and actually present as male. Like a goth freak or a member of Motley Crue. I am just so in tune with my feminine side almost all my friends, platonic or otherwise, are either very gay or women
@shortkath using these as a bingo-card 🤣
@masukomi Gonna establish Lo-Fi Chill Bisexuality as a life path if it's the last thing I do.
(ETA: Multiplayer made me *laugh*. 😁 )
Do they like me? I don't know! Would they like me if they knew? Would they reject me? Aaaaaaaahhh! PANIC!
You're welcome.
I was the wrong gender for the last person I flirted with. Bisexual panic is real.
Thank you.
@masukomi I love how there are 3 "no flag", 3 "yes flag" and 2 maybe.
Having the trans flag with the other pride flag always felt a little funny to me because this one is "who am I" while the other ate "who I like".
the last flag is gorgeous
I think it makes more sense if you recontextualize pride flags as a statement of defiance.
We are holding up literal flags to show the reasons we are being discriminated against, and letting others know that they are not alone, and don’t need to hide.