The way my mind works... Everything's so scattered; I come to conclusions that I can't logically explain; I can't 'show my work' I have no idea how I actually came to a solution and yet... It very often turns out right.

Is that actually smart? I don't think so. It feels like I'm not actually the one doing the thinking. I reach a conclusion and then I have to work backwards to rationalize what I thought. Isn't that actually antithetical to logical reasoning?

@indecisivetwat I used to get into strife at school for getting the answers without showing any work. Although I feel like I knew the work I just hadn't written it down, so slightly different.

That said, you wouldn't say someone is bad at swimming or singing because they can do it without thinking.

@andyAstruc But... I feel with intellectual endeavors it's so important that someone be able to explain what they're thinking, else the knowledge doesn't truly get relayed, and I'm just so damned bad at that...

@indecisivetwat I found it a lot easier to do that after I took a (throwaway elective) course on logical thinking at uni. Learning exactly how arguments are structured was fascinating and very helpful.

If A and B = true AND if A + B = C then C etc etc all that stuff you kind of instinctively know but seeing it allows you to keep that in mind when you speak to others on X subject.

@andyAstruc I guess... But in the vein of this thread: I can't explain it, but something about my thought processes feels... outside of me.
@indecisivetwat Oh you mean the Puppet Master. Yeah we're not supposed to talk about him.

@indecisivetwat Same. I gave up trying to do the reverse engineering years ago. Now if someone doesn't get it, I usually respond with JFGI.

I've been told by a lot of people it's a low level Autism Spectrum Disorder thing, but I'm functional and can (sort of) interact socially, so can't see the point fretting about it.

Being mostly right without apparently doing the work annoys others, but that's their problem.

@therophyte Yeah, it's kinda ironic seeing people get frustrated with me for being smarter than them 'without the effort' when my real concern is actually that I'm having trouble helping them be on the same level as me.

I kinda have an unhealthy level of putting others before myself, but even without that I think I'd still see my intelligence as being more for the education and betterment of those around me than to serve any selfish goal.

@indecisivetwat Might be ADHD. It sounds like behavior I've heard associated with it, and it sounds much like my own brain (and I likely have undiagnosed ADH).
@jaycie Well, I do at least know I was diagnosed with ADHD (regardless of how much I'm left wondering I'm undiagnosed with).
@indecisivetwat Yeah, that reaffirms my suspicions about my own anticipated diagnosis.

@indecisivetwat
we are ADHD (dx last year) and autistic (self-dx recently). We do this constantly... it's intuition/ pattern recognition for us and it's sometimes in ways that look like magic to others.

This is extraverted intuition, finding solutions with as little information possible. Introverted intuition is more complete, more detailed and safer, but with less fireworks 🎆🎇🎆

That's how we've come to understand ourselves.

@KabitTarah I guess then it all gets down to my main concern about wanting to share my knowledge with others and this all makes it so much harder to relay my thoughts.
@indecisivetwat
it's not impossible... we have many years in networking and know the fundamentals really well. When we were starting it was harder to connect ANY dots from problem to solution... now, when we DO backtrack we are developing something flawed and we know it. We rely on our detail oriented (possibly also ND) team members to help us find what we've missed
@KabitTarah It's not such a complex system in here; it's just me and Ana, and it's quite possible thinking's even harder for her.

@indecisivetwat
by system... place of work? Small teams would be tough... we've never done that

(just making sure you mean multiple people 'cause our personal multiple-system isn't complex but our work team is 30 people) 😊

@KabitTarah Oh derp, sorry, my reading comprehension sometimes is just... ugh. I hear what I want to hear.

I was talking about headmates. Not external people. Sorry. >.<

@indecisivetwat
😂 well, on that... Lucy is horrible with work things but has learned a lot of social fitting in things. She's more impulsive and works well with people, but it's hard to pin down on work.
Karen fronts more often lately and is our tech worker. She never learned to pretend to be NT. She also has more tech experience overall.
We're median, though... so a lot IS shared
@KabitTarah Median? To be honest, I don't really know too much about all this. Ana just kinda popped up about a year ago and hey, I guess we're a plural system now. >w<
@indecisivetwat median means we don't switch with amnesia and share a lot of memory and ability and things... though not 100%
We're probably OSDD-1b (and we fully support endogenic systems - those who didn't come from childhood trauma)
@KabitTarah Hehe, okay, now I'm delightfully lost; this is all new knowledge to me. ^w^
@indecisivetwat
sorry 😬 we're not good at educating others... we do have resource links if you need some, but you seem to have a start 😊