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DePasoPorEsteMundo 5d ago

Jon S. von Tetzchner

My first company, Opera, was built on word of mouth. The same applies to my 2nd company, @Vivaldi. We have never had the means that Big Tech has. In the case of Vivaldi, we have even avoided investors, to not end up like Opera.

We have also made it harder for our selves. We likely could have generated more funds through adding stuff like Crypto, AI or just plain old data collection in the browser, but we choose not to. We are also not an Ad company like most of our larger competitors. Instead we have added a wealth of features and customization.

Now people are starting to understand that just going with Big Tech may be easy to start with, but ends up not being worth it. In fact we now have governments and companies thinking that they need to move away from Big Tech and quickly.

We welcome you all.

#Vivaldi #Browser #Technology #Windows #Macos #Linux #Android #Apple #Google #Microsoft

https://vivaldi.com/blog/how-can-a-dugnad-save-the-web/

How can a dugnad help save the web? | Vivaldi Browser

At Vivaldi we believe that the web is one of humanity’s greatest inventions: open to everyone, built for exploration and expression. But the feeling you get being online these days doesn’t necessarily…

Vivaldi Browser

@jon dugnad is one of my favourite words. 🇳🇴

lwbrown52 5d ago

@jon @Vivaldi THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

Lenz Grimmer 5d ago

@jon @Vivaldi thank you for your dedication and commitment for a good cause.

@jon @Vivaldi have been using the browser and like it. Still worried about it being based on chromium due to Googles latest position. Would be nice if it was its own web browser, to offer a real alternative (as i belive Firefox is). Still, nice browser and nice features. Thank you for creating it.

Joshua Byrd 5d ago

@Boosh22 @jon @Vivaldi Agree, sticking to Firefox for now until Vivaldi, which I like the idea of, migrates off Chromium.

Jon S. von Tetzchner 5d ago

@Boosh22 @Vivaldi

Here is the thing. Chromium is also based on another browser core in Webkit and Webkit in turn was based on khtml. That is how open source works at times.

I have built a browser from scratch. I did that at Opera. There is a reason why nobody has done that for more than 25 years. It is just not trivial to do. If it was, Apple, Google and Microsoft would have made a browser from scratch instead of building on code made by others.

A strong Vivaldi can influence what Chromium becomes. If you support us, we will do our best to influence the Web to become better, like we have always done.

@Vivaldi @Boosh22 @jon you will never be strong enough to have a say in whatever shady business Google tries to pull off. Mozilla surviving on the whims of Google is bad enough, relying on a project directly maintained by them is even worse. We have seen the fiasco of manifest v3 play out.

Davi Ottenheimer 5d ago

@jon @Boosh22 @Vivaldi I am trying to put browser engines in front of the EU as a matter of national security. maybe @aristot73 can help here

https://www.flyingpenguin.com/papers-please-who-does-your-browser-engine-actually-belong-to/

Papers, Please: Who Does Your Browser Engine Actually Belong To? | flyingpenguin

@jon @Boosh22 @Vivaldi > There is a reason why nobody has done that for more than 25 years.

From what I've heard Igalia is making good progress with Servo. Would love to see a collab there.

@jon @Vivaldi
I just fully transferred over to Vivaldi and I LOVE IT! Works perfectly for me. It's the only browser where I could arrange my bookmarks on the side like Firefox. THANK YOU! It also works seamlessly with my VPN.

✨️dingus-mo-bingus✨️🐈‍⬛5d ago

There's an unfortunate irony watching the CEO of a chromium based browser advocate for internet privacy. Like that's very nice and all but your browser is still beholden to any and all anti-privacy measures google forces through their chromium platform. I say this with as much benevolence and kindness as I can muster, but any and all efforts to advocate for internet privacy with a chromium based browser are ultimately empty promises. Do better.

CpyJx 🍉5d ago

@Crafting_Fiend @jon @Vivaldi Basically this. All Chromium-based browser give Google power to drive the web by giving their browser engine more market share. I see this as a long-term losing strategy for anyone who wants to keep the web open.

Murdoc Addams 🧛🏻

@Cappyjax @Crafting_Fiend @jon @Vivaldi
I don't think that that is giving Vivaldi enough credit. Sure, I'd prefer it if they were entirely open source and using a different engine too, but privacy isn't a binary, it's a scale. They have been transparent about the reasons for their choices, and a lot of it comes down to doing what they can with what they have. Aside from those choices, they have consistently gone to great lengths to protect their users' privacy, and those efforts deserve recognition.

Davi Ottenheimer 5d ago

@murdoc @Cappyjax @Crafting_Fiend @jon @Vivaldi the "you use chromium" complaints reveal someone who should be advocating for a different engine. go ahead. I dare you to explain an alternative engine. and the hundreds of millions Google funds Mozilla with doesn't count.

Wolfram wants peace 5d ago

@Cappyjax @Crafting_Fiend @jon @Vivaldi
I am honestly curious how using chromium affects privacy?
I assume that #vivaldi also can exist without funding as described above because it has access to such a powerful engine. Would it be even possible without one/it?
If so I would be curious how.

I AM BANKSY ☕ / 🗑‍🔥5d ago

@Crafting_Fiend
As an aside, I do wonder what happens to companies that rely on ad revenue from Google were Google to turn that tap off. How many search engines would shutter in the days following?

Then the money Vivaldi gets from those search engine placement deals goes away. It feels like a risk.

I use exclusively Vivaldi at home and on my phone, but it's a concern.

ĞÖKÜ👻👻™5d ago

@jon @Vivaldi why not vivaldi available on F-Droid?

@jon @Vivaldi https://computercity.com/software/browsers/list-of-chromium-and-non-chromium-based-browsers

Why yet another chromium?

List of Chromium and Non-Chromium Based Browsers - ComputerCity

Choosing a web browser might seem like a small decision, but it actually impacts your online experience more than you might realize. Do you value speed and

ComputerCity

Sarneghera 5d ago

@jon @Vivaldi thank you, I'm so glad to your work!

Robert Crémieux 5d ago

@jon @Vivaldi Vivaldi, I try it, I adopt it.

bazil ⏚5d ago

@jon @Vivaldi Vivaldi is not open source…

Dave Dee 5d ago

@jon @Vivaldi are you already receiving some EU funding or are you investigating the possibility?

Jon S. von Tetzchner 4d ago

@deedo @Vivaldi

We have no EU funding at this time. Seems like it will require a lot of work.

operator 5d ago

@jon @Vivaldi pls focus on Privacy & Security with free local Profile Sync via my cloud Service 🙏

@jon @Vivaldi looks good. And feels a lot like the https://di.day initiative started in Germany.
There are a lot of events https://events.diday.org/ to get people together.
They have recipes to make the switch https://di.day/en/digital-switch-recipes

Switch to the good side every first Sunday of the month — Digital Independence Day

On the first Sunday of each month we organise Digital Independence Day. This is when we reclaim our digital freedom and switch to democracy-friendly digital alternatives.

@jon @Vivaldi please consider a #musl libc flavour that doesn't require containers please.