Johan Moir (Mastodon)
Tuta🚨 Google is now asking you to grant camera access and show your hands to prove you're a human?!
--> I am not a robot tests have officially gone to far.
Just when you think the Big Tech can't get more privacy-invading, it does! 🫣
Alexa Devreux-SwiftSheesh! If I see this I will blacklist the site that uses it!
Becca
PoloniousmonkNope. I'll do without anything google offers before doing this.
Hell, my machine doesn't even have a camera.
🇨🇦Weird Foodie🏴@Tutanota I'm scared to wonder what they might want to see next.
The Tattooed Nonna 🧙♀️@weirdfoodie @Tutanota JK whatshername will be right on that on her website "I just need to check your sex, please show your genitals to the camera"
Aether_Well
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Peter Koopman 🦣@Tutanota
JFC! I actually fact-checked this because I couldn't believe it. I guess I'm still too optimistic about Google's evilness. https://docs.cloud.google.com/recaptcha/docs/hand-gesture-verification
JFC! I actually fact-checked this because I couldn't believe it. I guess I'm still too optimistic about Google's evilness. https://docs.cloud.google.com/recaptcha/docs/hand-gesture-verification
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Now that I think about it. Image slop is recognizable, tru the fact that hands look bad... So, we are training Gemini?
Now that I think about it. Image slop is recognizable, tru the fact that hands look bad... So, we are training Gemini?
noodlejetski 
@pkoopmanpk @Tutanota we've been training self-driving systems with traffic lights and bridges and pedestrian crossings for years, so yeah, I'm fairly sure that's the case.
jpl99Same. It was just too incredible to believe.
The_Universality@Tutanota I'm curious if AI generated video of waving hand would get a pass.
Martin Ueding@The_Universality @Tutanota
You take the passing of the Google captcha as adversarial loss to train the video model. Eventually it will work.
You take the passing of the Google captcha as adversarial loss to train the video model. Eventually it will work.
Ganondalf
Sim Greenclaw@Tutanota this is horrible
Fairness4All@Tutanota then they'll use this as training data for making more convincing deep fakes. Sigh...
@Tutanota maybe they should ask people to undress and spread their cheeks while at it
Eggs now in different baskets.@closeted_unionist @Tutanota This will have undoubtely have been discussed already as a possibility at Google Product Development Team meetings.
My mantra in life is: if I have just thought of an idea then someone else already has got as least as far as the working prototype stage.
bdf2121cc3334b35b6ecda66e471@the_wub @closeted_unionist @Tutanota you remember how Grok was able to undress minors? And how Neural Networks can only replicate what's in the sample data?
@bdf2121cc3334b35b6ecda66e471 @the_wub @Tutanota I get how models are trained from sample data and the potential use case of this in liveness checks. But I don't trust Google with my data.
What's stopping Google from selling my data to other AI companies? Google is also a company with close ties with the military industrial complex, the federal government, and the fascist oligarchy. What's stopping them from using this data for military use, or improving deception in gen ai/ psyops?
@closeted_unionist @the_wub @Tutanota I think you missed my point.
Neural Networks are only able to produce what was in the sample data.
Grok was able to produce undressed, underaged people.
Therefore, Grok's sample data must also include...
Aleksei 🇪🇪@Tutanota robot tests have gone too far long time ago. I realized that once I started using VPN. So many sites want you to solve cloudflare's captcha _twice_ just to open them. Yeah, it's just clicking in the box, but the overall process is slow and takes ~10s. Other websites ask you to solve 5 puzzles or something like that. It's crazy.
Same experience. And it's so infuriating. People use VPNs for perfectly valid and good reasons. Mostly because big tech is so obnoxiously abusive.
And sometimes the clicking fails to work -- you end up in an infinite loop that no amount of click verification resolves.
And then there are the sites that have their APIs split across multiple domains... and you have to click on every and each one to prove you're human 😡 😡 😡
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Jean-Baptiste "JBQ" Quéru@Tutanota Big tech: "Use AI, it can replace humans for all tasks".
Also, big tech: "We only allow these tasks to be performed by humans".
Axel Gutmann
refraction 
Paleva@virbonus @Tutanota that’s what I was thinking. They have cams that can make sharp photos from space, machines that are faster shooting photos than u can imagine in super slow mo Also people move, walk and wave in a very specific way. Once u have that, they don’t need your fingerprint. When mass observing people on the streets this becomes very interesting as an identifier
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@Tutanota "Images from your movements won't be stored" my arse!
Can they guarantee that Cloudflare won't have cached copies somewhere?
So what do Google store? Wire frame animated copies of your hand movements?
There have been successful tests where you can identify a person just from their gait.
I am pretty certain that I read of a system that can recognise individual gamers whilst playing computer games on the basis of how their characters move in each virtual computer game world.
🐦🔥nemo™🐦⬛ 🇺🇦🍉@Tutanota Lol how about f*ck NO xD hahahah geez
Geoff Mackenzie@Tutanota falsehoods programmers believe about hands:
- everybody has hands
- everybody can mimic an observed hand movement using their hands
dylanparry@radicalabacus @Tutanota 100% this. That said, I'm a programmer, and my first thought was "what if you don't have any hands?" 🤦♂️
Brokar@Tutanota I think Google is not to blame entirely but also all the companies who implement this. They don't think.
I just avoid this entirely. If i can't get to a website without letting my pants down i simply look for the next.
And this is not the only issue with this. If they cannot identify your browser, this doesn't work at all, esp. the Cloudflare sh*t.
Bernardo Batista Leão Filho@Tutanota
The advancement of artificial intelligence demands more complex defenses against bots, and gesture verification is a technical response to automated fraud, not a deliberate invasion.
Big tech companies aim to balance security and usability: traditional methods fail where AIs can already mimic human behavior. Protecting robust digital ecosystems inevitably requires additional layers of validation. Privacy remains the priority in handling this data.
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The advancement of artificial intelligence demands more complex defenses against bots, and gesture verification is a technical response to automated fraud, not a deliberate invasion.
Big tech companies aim to balance security and usability: traditional methods fail where AIs can already mimic human behavior. Protecting robust digital ecosystems inevitably requires additional layers of validation. Privacy remains the priority in handling this data.
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J👀Big Tech has created 'AI'.
Big Tech does not want bots that will capture data to train competing 'AI'.
Therefore, it is a Big Tech problem.
They should leave users alone.
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Resolviendo la incógnita 🌐@Tutanota Even if it were considered a good idea, which it isn't, how do you ask someone with paralysis or an amputee to use their hands? You can't always prop up the phone. If they don't have hands or can't move them, they'd need to be a contortionist to do it with their feet.
Ibi
LonM@Tutanota
1) AI can't generate hands very well
2) Steal more training data about hands
3) AI can now generate hands better
4) AI can now bypass your captcha check
What's the goal here?
Gustavo
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Andy Wootton@Tutanota Should we show them a shaking fist?
@Tutanota The more I see google's new features, the more glad I am that I left google earlier
GoogleThank you for the valuable insight on your experience with this new verification system. As it is still in development, we have been able to make some changes based on reactions like yours:
Starting in July, CAPTCHA will no longer ask for this. It will now ask for pictures of your feet instead.
xenia, the fediverse eepy kitty 
@google wrong. i'm a cat 
Floppa
Lord Siegelbewahrer@Tutanota And next time: a porn site using Google Ads tracker wants you to drop your pants…
vascorsd@Tutanota it's all cool. What could go wrong with getting all the hand prints from people, centrally process it, train some ai models with all of it...
They already have fingerprints, face, likely iris...
Oh and all the personal data from everyone, their emails, their financials, everything they watch, everything they visit in every page online...
We are living in the best timeline!
eddie
GhostOnTheHalfShellyou know how people used to Xerox their butts by sitting on the machine…