@daringfireball “It only hurts iPhone users who live in the EU, who are stuck with the old dumb version of Siri for the foreseeable future.”

Spot on. The DMA has totally backfired. It doesn’t bring us, the EU based users and developers, anything of value. We are just getting left behind.

The sad thing is that 99% of europeans have no idea what the DMA is, doesn’t know about Siri AI and don’t know what we are missing.

If you agree, sign the petition👇
https://siri4eu.com/

@nstrm @daringfireball

No one knows what Siri AI is because it doesn't exist yet.

What we know is that Siri has been dumb shit for ages, with no way to change it. And even for conversations Apple gave users in Japan an option to call other agents, but bot anywhere else in the world.

It's Apple literally saying fuck you to you, and you defend it.

@dmitriid @daringfireball Apple is a business, and if it doesn’t make business sense for them to release a feature in the EU due to the DMA they are not gonna do it.

Let companies design their own products, and let users vote with their wallet.

@nstrm @daringfireball

"A supranational trillion-dollar company deciding to reduce user choice and competition is good actually"

@nstrm @daringfireball

A question of how companies will design their products when Apple literally doesn't let them run on their platform never even appears in these discussions.

Meanwhile here's Pebble saying how Apple intentionally prevents interoperability for competing products: https://ericmigi.com/blog/apple-restricts-pebble-from-being-awesome-with-iphones/

@nstrm @daringfireball

I mean, in one of the comments last year @gruber said that if you want a competing photos app on the iPhone, the company should instead design and sell their own phone lol

@dmitriid @daringfireball @gruber Why would they be entitled to do anything on someone elses platform. There are lots of considerations going into opening up deep integrations to other companies and not something you should take for granted.

Should EU require Volvo to support CarPlay Ultra integration? And maybe other infotainment systems? So that everyone can compete in Volvo cars and the users can choose what infotainment system they prefer?

This kind of legislation is too far reaching.

@nstrm @daringfireball @gruber

> Why would they be entitled to do anything on someone elses platform

That's literally how platforms work: by letting others develop on them. Or do you think that all the apps you use are developed by Apple and Apple only?

Or do you think Apple is entitled to kick anyone out as soon as they develop their own competing product no matter how shitty?

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@nstrm @daringfireball @gruber

Cars are an analogy only if you consider that if iOS was a car, Apple would orevent you from using tires from a different manufacturer, or fill up at any gas station of your choice.

Would you be cheering for them?

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@dmitriid correction: they are not entitled to do anything they want on someone else’s platform.

If that’s how they want to sell cars then yeah, it’s up to them to decide. Then the people can decide if they want to buy it.

@nstrm

Who "they" are not entitled?

So you're saying that the moment Apple develops their own competing product with yours, Apple is entitled to kick you out instead of competing on merit? (That's what they did or tried to do on numerous occasions).

Also, learn the word "duopoly" and why "voting with your wallet" doesn't work.

@dmitriid for example Pebble that you mentioned.

No I’m not saying that at all. There are terms that developers accept, and if you don’t violate them you are not being kicked out of course.

Yes, there is a duopoly. But legislation that makes these two leave out useful features is not the right way forward. It doesn’t magically give us any more choice. It just makes things worse.

@nstrm

Why isn't Pebble "entitled" to similar functionality? You literally said "let others build their products and compete". Here's Pebble building a product, and Apple literally preventing them from competing, and literally preventing you from enjoying the same functionality with a competing product.

Apple's terms literally allow them to kick you out if you build "similar functionality" and they will literally set defaults to their shitty apps without a way to change it.

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@nstrm @dmitriid I can put whatever software and hardware I want in my car. What are you on about?

Nobody is going to stop me from putting an Android Auto/Apple Carplay box in my car. In fact, there's a thriving market for these types of boxes and conversions, many of which integrate into even very old cars as if they were stock. Would you accept it if Volvo prevented you from changing your head unit, or replacing a broken seat with a third-party one?

If yes, why not be similarly enraged at Apple in this case? Because Apple is a super extra special boy?