Question for Linux / Apple fans:

I'm considering buying an Apple Neo, to dual boot Linux Mint #Debian Edition on it.

Are there any specific concerns with using #Apple Silicon? Am I restricted in the #Linux distros and available packages?

I like the price point of the Apple Neo, and the fact that it comes loaded with creative tools, which I use heavily. For example, I have yet to find a #videoEditing tool for Linux, comparable to #iMovie. Also, Apple devices are elegant in #design and rugged in construction.

Am I better off buying a generic laptop instead? Recommendations are welcome!

#Question #Laptop

@ashwin I don't have Apple devices, but I know many who do, and since it is also Unix I try to learn as much about that ecosystem too.

From what I know, there isn't a single Linux port yet for the A18 Pro chip, which is the CPU for the Apple Neo notebook, which, by the way, is friggin' amazing. You could use virtualization software like UTM, Parallels, VMware Fusion or similar to run Linux on it; alternatively, as far as I know, there is currently no other option. CodeWeavers (CrossOver) is not officially supported yet. The A18 Pro chip is also from the iPhone 16, from what I've heard very interesting concept to use that in a notebook, and it seems to have worked.

@nemo

I used Apple iMac and a MacBook Pro for years, precisely because it is UNIX and I could do Unixy things on it.

Sadly, because of the permissive #BSD license, #Apple has taken an open source operating system, and made it de facto, proprietary.

Why doesn't Apple release its creative tools, #GarageBand and #iMovie under the #GPL ?

It's not like they ever make money from those applications.

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@ashwin I don't know… since Steve Jobs was fired from his previous CEO position and then returned, he curtailed projects that benefited the public and went on a full rampage. Apple still follows in his footsteps. Why they don't put it under the GPL and similar licenses, I have no clue … they're capitalists through and through. 😅

@nemo @ashwin

Steve Jobs was very much against viral licenses like the GPL after NeXT had to release their Opjective-C frontend to gcc due to it (I don't remember the details, but they belived they could circumvent it by shiping the frontend separatly)

@MrShark @nemo

I heard an anecdote that when Steve Jobs learned about Linux, he was very concerned. Jobs offered Linus Torvalds a job at Apple, with a very lucrative pay. The only condition was that Torvalds stop working on Linux. Linus turned down the offer, and the rest is history.

Can anyone confirm or deny this story?

@ashwin

Yes, the story is in Torvalds’ autobiography "Just For Fun".

@MrShark @nemo

@ashwin

It depends on what you want to do with it.

I used to run a powerpc mac laptop ~2003 with #Debian and as long as I was running free software it worked as a charm, but as soon as I wanted to run something non-free it was not available (at the time I think it was Adobe Acrobat or some game that was alluring).

@ashwin buying hardware that the vendor doesn’t support Linux for is too risky imho. That would apply here to the Neo, but also to many “generic” PC laptops.
It might work, it might even work quite well, but there’s unlikely to be firmware updates and probably a few other missing bits.

Look specifically for a model where the vendor has put in the effort to test and make Linux work.

As just one example, Lenovo have a list: https://lenovo.com/linux

@ashwin Pretty sure you're not gonna' get Mint to run on a MacBook Neo. The only project that runs on Apple Silicon is Asahi Linux, and that's only on the M1 and maybe the M2 series of processors.

If you want the best compatibility, get a PC laptop or an older Mac with an Intel processor.

@RockyC

Just checked. nixOS also runs on Apple Silicon.

#nixOS is a distribution that has potential, with its innovative approach to config management.

nixOS adoption is held back by the nix #language, which is used for configuring the OS. If the nix language were replaced by, say #Ruby, nixOS would be adopted more widely, and become more powerful.

This is an effort I intend to undertake, as part of my Free Software Co-op.

https://gitlab.com/we-glue-earth/we.glue.earth

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@ashwin @RockyC Ruby?!?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤣🤣🤣🤣🤮🤮🤮🤮

@harryprayiv @RockyC

What do you have against this nice language, developed here in Japan, which aims for "Programmer Happiness" ?

@ashwin I would not buy an Apple device specifically to run Linux on.

Even the first-gen Apple silicon devices only had partial support so I suspect the newest will be some way behind. Asahi is a great project, and if you already had an Apple device you wanted to make use of then I’d say take a look; but don’t go out and spend money on the assumption that it’ll work smoothly. (And in particular you’re likely to be much more limited in your choice of distribution; I have no idea if there’s an Asahi version of Mint.)

@ashwin I thought it would only be Asahi eventually, but I'm not sure.

@ashwin

Unfortunately you're unlikely to find a Linux for any A series chip any time soon if ever, that chip was meant for iPhones and iPads with the related but slightly different M series for computers. As the Neo shows, they do work in computers, even defective ones, but because it was unexpected, there's nothing out there yet, and for the M series, I think only Asahi Linux exists