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I was raised by Anti-fascist parents who were in the Army in Europe in WWII, teachers and acquaintances, served there & in the Pacific
Justin Crozer@autonomysolidarity Antifa? Never heard of it until now but I’m going to make a calculated guess and say it’s anti fascist?
@justincrozer Yeahh! simply anti-fascist people are meant!
@autonomysolidarity is it a proper organisation or is it just an abbreviation? Regardless I can get behind it.
@justincrozer just an abbreviation! We don't even know the person who created the meme and feel addressed. How are we supposed to be a group? We are simply all anti-fascist people! #Antifa = Against fascism
Conny Nasch@autonomysolidarity @justincrozer Antifa = Pro Life
DJ Enno@connynasch @autonomysolidarity @justincrozer what do mean with "pro life"? I'm asking cause the only unifying thing in the Antifa movement, or should I say between people who see themselves as supporters of the Antifa is the negative attitude towards fascism. While "pro life" is usually used to say: the life of prehistoric women has less value than the life of an unborn. And since fascists are usually staunchly misogynistic and are inclined to force pregnant women to carry a pregnancy to terms, without any regards for the woman whatsoever.
Just as George Carlin said way back in the days.
https://youtu.be/AvF1Q3UidWM?is=Ar2a5Xpq8_ERYwVH
My personal impression is that the majority of Antifa is "pro choice", because the majority want to expand women's rights regarding healthcare, bodily autonomy, and equality, although there are pro-life misogynists too of course.
Just as George Carlin said way back in the days.
https://youtu.be/AvF1Q3UidWM?is=Ar2a5Xpq8_ERYwVH
My personal impression is that the majority of Antifa is "pro choice", because the majority want to expand women's rights regarding healthcare, bodily autonomy, and equality, although there are pro-life misogynists too of course.
George Carlin: Pro Life, Abortion, And The Sanctity Of Life
@Stricki I meant it in the sense of anti fascist being for life, not in the narrow view of the anti abortion mob but more in the anti war vision. @autonomysolidarity @justincrozer
@connynasch @autonomysolidarity @justincrozer ah, okay. Yeah I definitely think pacifism is something most Antifa supporters would agree with.
WesDym@Stricki 'Antifa supporters' is a recursive term, because while a handful of mostly very small actual groups do use the term, it's really just a global movement of many different kinds of people who all oppose fascism. To 'support' it is to BE it. It's like saying you 'support' democracy; if you do, then you ARE democratic, not a side-liner just cheering on a team of other people.
Смерть Окупантам@Stricki @connynasch @[email protected] @justincrozer anti-dead vision =/= anti-war vision.
At least not as long as people call it "peace" if a government slaughters its people, because there's no other nation involved.
And not as long people want to appease warmongers by demanding that the defender stops defending.
This 'pacifism' is abetment to murder.
Antifa means to stop fascists from killing.
@autonomysolidarity ah okay. I didn’t know if it was like Amnesty International or something. — which I support by the way.
dragonfrog@justincrozer @autonomysolidarity Amnesty International is a great example of an antifa organization, but there are many others.
@justincrozer This can get confusing because there have been and probably still are discrete movements or groups who use the term, but have their own (presumably) consistent internal doctrines, and you might not agree with all of them. (The earliest, of the 1930s, were expressly Communist, including some actual Stalinists.) So there may be some real groups using this same term. But the vast, vast majority of today's global Antifa movement is just opposing fascism.
@justincrozer It is a global movement opposing fascism, hence the term. It has many different elements, including countless individuals of no strong political stripe -- easily the majority. Some specific (smaller, discrete) 'Antifa' movements or groups do have their own pet beliefs. Some are Communist, for example, as the oldest (1930s) antifi groups were. Some (surely more) are like Iron Front (also 1930s), who also oppose left-wing extemism. But it's mainly just anti-fascism, in many flavours.
Ilka 🌐@justincrozer The term antifa, short for anti-fascist, has roots dating back to the 1920s and 1930s, originating in Europe during the rise of fascists. It is not a "group" or "organisation" as Felon 47 tries to make it out, it is a term to describe a mind set. Much like "art lover" or "coffee drinker" - there is not one single group you could pin down as "the art lovers", but of course there are many groups that like art.
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@justincrozer Correct. The term arose in anti-fascist movements in Italy and Germany of the 1930s, as a convenient and universal shorthand for all who opposed fascism.
That said, those earliest Antifa movements were expressly Communist, and sometimes still are. But groups like Iron Front (the three arrows you may have seen) opposed ALL extremists, of all stripes, including German Antifa (Antifascistiche Aktion), a militant arm of the KPD, who were actual Stalinists.
'Antifa' is a big spectrum.
@justincrozer In our time, the term covers a wide range of movements and groups, some of whom don't like each other or even oppose each other, but who all share the purpose of opposing fascism. At this specific moment in history, everyone's trying to knock down the fire. After that, we can get back to fighting each other.
Aagje D. Vogel@autonomysolidarity
Antifascists would fit nicely on the fascist hate list as well.
Antifascists would fit nicely on the fascist hate list as well.
@Aagje_D_Vogel and anarchists and queers and trans people and indigenous etc etc......
Drey@Aagje_D_Vogel so much would fit, it actually doesn't fit because the room runs out. 😝 What I hope ppl will understand: fascists hate so much, they eventually belong to the group fascists want to nihilate. If ppl understand it is not "the others" but their own skin that is in the game, they won't ever again vote for the fascists "to teach democrats a lesson".
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MidgePhoto@autonomysolidarity Fascists deny individual choice, morals, opinions.
@autonomysolidarity good start. I suggest to use a smaller font and create 2 collums on the left, as there are many very important aspects missing. If you put "hate" to the healdine, you save up one line & that way gives you 2 more words. Suggestions: Women, equality, cultural expression, freedom of speech, intellectualism, science, independant media, LGBTQ+, peace, empathy, education, health care, individualism, human rights...
If one reads this, they will understand they are 1 of the hated.
If one reads this, they will understand they are 1 of the hated.
🟥 Eveline Sulman 🇳🇱🇪🇺🇺🇦@Ilka4You @autonomysolidarity you can use all the words that are on the Trump list of forbidden words... 🤔
@Ilka4You let‘s go!
@Ilka4You oh wow. cool.
Can we use that too? Thanks a lot 😅 🖤
@autonomysolidarity sure, it is yours 😍
@Ilka4You You are great 🤩 😘
@autonomysolidarity thank you! it was my pleasure 💖 If it helps to make ppl understand, I am more than happy.
@Ilka4You That's exactly how we should all see it. But it's rather rare. Accordingly, thank you 😊🖤🏴
@autonomysolidarity thank you very much, your words mean a lot to me. 🤩
@autonomysolidarity btw, you did the work, I just added 😃
@Ilka4You Oh. That's probably a misunderstanding. The work made @Nigel_Purchase 😅🙏🖤
We mentioned this in the alt text!
We mentioned this in the alt text!
Juffo-WupThere is a difference here.
For ANTIFAs hate normally does not mean Concentration Camps for your enemies. 🤷
Spencer@autonomysolidarity
And 1+1=2! Gold Star!!!
And 1+1=2! Gold Star!!!
Kid Mania@autonomysolidarity
The word "ANTIFA" is the enemy's word. I refuse to use it. I am ANTIFASCIST.
I once heard a right-wing commentator tell his audience the word antifa meant Anti-Family.
I notice newspaper and media use the word antifa instead of antifascist.
I will NEVER use the word "antifa". I will ALWAYS force them to use the word Antifascist.
Are we really this lazy? The word is ANTIFASCIST.
@clintruin @autonomysolidarity - You are 100% correct. Thank you.
an_believable@clintruin
What?
First time I hear/read s.o. stating "Antifa" as an enemy's word 😅
Maybe the word is used different, where you come from?
In Germany (and as I know also in some other European countries) "Antifa" is a self-designation. Here it has a long history:
It was used already by the "Antifaschistische Aktion" around 1930 as an abbreviation of their own name.
Latest since the 1980s "antifa" became a commom self-designation and/or part of the name of (mainly autonomous) antifascist groups.
Antifa is also a common abbreviation of the term Antifaschismus, but more it is used as term for groups or the movement.
So members of the Antifa are all antifascists, but not all antifascists are member of the Antifa 😉
So in Germany it's not at all an enemy's word (but of course right wingers are trying to defame and criminalize Antifa here, too).
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I can't speak to German usage or German antifascists. Obviously that is an enormous topic.
I can speak to North American usage. In North America, as I've stated, the word is being used to confuse and distract. This is why I feel the word has taken on negative connotations, in English, in North America.
As stated above, if a fascist can use the word to to tell millions of Americans the word means anti-family...see what I'm saying?
@clintruin The purpose is prevent US from using it, by trying to 'brand' it in terms they get to choose. But they didn't create it, and it was originally ours, and we don't have to let them do that.
If you give in here, there's no end to it. You have to hold the line somewhere. Why not where the lie already exists? Their claims are false; we don't have to agree to them.
@an_believable @clintruin the word Antifa has only been alienated recent by the Felon 47 & his goons & is only seen as such in USA, more & more used to alienate by other fascist countries though. His media presence make it sound like an orga. in his eyes worth hunting - only in USA. The world still uses the word as described by @an_believable - so the majority of the world has not been brain washed yet. Yet! It is really hard to escape the constant flood of Felon 47 BS.
edit: corrected username
edit: corrected username
@Ilka4You @an_believable
So let's make it simple:
(For the English-speaking in the States and Canada)
Only use the word Antifascist. Do not use the made up word Antifa.
@clintruin the world keeps on going whether USamericans like it or not. They will have to adjust or be very unhappy &/or offended a lot - their choice.
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@clintruin No, our side really did coin it, in the 1930s. It was always exactly what it looks like -- an abbreviation of 'anti-fascist'. The advantage, besides being shorter and easier to say, is that it's the same in all Western languages, though exact pronunciation varies.
That said, I agree that it's much harder for our opponents to fight 'anti-fascists', so there's advantage in using that.
Catbrainz 🇱🇧🇦🇲🏳️🌈@autonomysolidarity A centrist: "they are both equally bad 😩"
@catbrainz Your comment contributes nothing, and cynicism is corrosive and solves nothing for no one, no matter how good it feels to be smug. 30 days.
Torf und Schnee@autonomysolidarity I like the simplicity, but the totalitarian legacy of my country of origin dictates one important question: "who decides who will be called 'fascist'"?
Ulmo@torf @autonomysolidarity It’s simple, too. Totalitarianism is one thing—it’s common on both sides of the political and social spectrum—but fascism is nothing more than the most predatory practices of colonialism, only carried out internally (against the population of the country where that fascism exists).
@Ulmo @autonomysolidarity you've probably haven't got the question. It is well described what fascism is. But the question is who decide who is a fascist.
In the Soviet Union, you've legally got freedom of speech (no kidding, read the constitution!!). But if you ever tried to exercise it *for real*, you was begging for criminal charges for "anti-soviet propaganda", which may have resulted in execution by shooting, long-term imprisonment or forcible treatment in a "psychiatric" (i.e. mind-killing) facility.
Somehow similarly, now we see a lot of folks who pretend to "protest" against "Israeli fascism" by killing random Jews in their cities.
@torf @autonomysolidarity How power is exercised is one thing. The ideological basis for that exercise is quite another.
The question is not who decides what fascism is, but rather what it is based on the behavior of those acts and people who follow that logic, which has been extensively studied.
In the political and social sphere, fascist thought:
- Rejects democracy, equality, and reason, replacing them with irrationalism, militarism, extreme nationalism, and the cult of violence.
- Is based on the belief in the natural inequality of human beings, the superiority of certain races or nations, and the need for internal “cleansing” and external expansion to restore national glory.
In the economic sphere:
- Rejection of free markets and efficiency-based productivity, replacing them with brute force and capitalist accumulation through exploitation and conquest.
- Resources are seized by force, not through the market, and production serves imperialist expansion, not the common good. This culminates in predatory war and genocide, as occurred under Nazism and Italian fascism and currently with the U.S. and Israel, for example.
Fascism and supremacism are twin brothers; the only difference is that in the former, the state is controlled and actions are taken in its name. In supremacism, state involvement is not necessary.