Jan Wildeboer 😷

A mobile phone with open hardware and a linux based open source operating system but locked down to run only 3 services:

1. Phone
2. Identity attestation (passwords, passkey, TOTP, verifiable attestations/credentials on the device, all backed by an open hardware Secure Enclave)
3. Browser

Camera optional. No App Store. Minimal (encrypted) local storage, but that’s it.

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#WhatIsMissing #DigitalAutonomy #SecureIdentity

Jun 7 at 2:03pmWeb
Show threadJan Wildeboer 😷Jun 7

This could be developed fast. Produced cheap. And compete fast with the Apple/Google duopoly. Instead of trying to compete by trying to recreate their walled garden approach. Could also have NFC for payment, acces badge functions etc. Like a Yubi/Nitrokey but with screen and phone function.True personal Identity ownership as basis for an ecosystem is the future. Decentralised, with a collection of verifiable attestations under YOUR control.

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Show threadJan Wildeboer 😷Jun 7

Dear @EUCommission @NGIZero there’s a billion € market you can create, foster, advance. For free. Happy to explain more details. I’ve been working on this approach since around 20 years. Open standards, open source at the core. Market on top. Giving everyone inalienable ownership of their identity. Or, as I call it — TCP/ID :) The next big thing and a better EUDI [1]

[1] https://ec.europa.eu/digital-building-blocks/sites/spaces/EUDIGITALIDENTITYWALLET/pages/694487738/EU+Digital+Identity+Wallet+Home

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EU Digital Identity Wallet Home - EU Digital Identity Wallet -

Show threadJan Wildeboer 😷Jun 7
ADDENDUM: And with a blackberry style physical keyboard. Because we want that back. We want the satisfying mechanical feedback. :)
Show threadL'égrégore André ꕭꕬJun 7
@jwildeboer I was on board by the first post, but to have this I will fight dragons! 🗡️🤓
Show threadAndreas SikkemaJun 7

@jwildeboer “we”? I tried a Nokia with too many too small buttons while testing some functionality for a few days and never looked back. 😉

I vastly prefer a glass plate to small fiddly buttons. But maybe I was sure more to the superior UI of Apple at the time (iPod Touch and iPhone 3G)

Show threadWhreq JnnyobreJun 7

@bix @jwildeboer For me, the SonyEricsson P1 was peak phone text input. It had a *weird* keyboard, where every button was actually 2 buttons: a left and right side. With 5 buttons per row, you had 10 letters. But that meant having a QWERTY keyboard with mechanical feedback on a small device, but with a large striking surface. In practice, you'd hit the keys at 1/3 or 2/3 of the width and push them slightly to the side.

It's hard to tell from the photo, but the keys had a cylindrical indent, which made it even easier to use.

Show threadQuixoticgeekJun 7
@jwildeboer why? Not the open source and all that. But why the locked down? Esp if you then give it a useful keyboard?
Show threadRaffzahnJun 7
@jwildeboer And precision - never again 'hitting' the wrong key just because of viewing angle.
Show threadKrist van BesienJun 8
@jwildeboer can we have the keyboard as an option? I understand some people like physical keyboards, but not everyone does.
Show threadJohn Faithfull 🌍🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🧡✊🏻✊🏿Jun 7
@jwildeboer Neat idea 👍
Show threadMichael McCune ☮️Jun 7

@jwildeboer i like this idea. i've been an android user for years (official google version), and recently i tried the fairphone with the e/os operating system. it's been an interesting "step down" from the experience of google android, but it's also helping me focus my use. it feels like a step in the direction you are talking about.

the identity part would be a nice area to see improvements, the wallet integration does not seem great with e/os so far.

Show threadWalt BaldwinJun 7

@elmiko @jwildeboer

fwiw - i have yet to run into a limitation with grapheneos

Show threadermo | Rune MorlingJun 7

@jwildeboer The Danish Agency for Digital Government has developed something like this, which is called AltID:

https://en.digst.dk/systems/altid/

AltID

AltID is Denmark’s official app for digital ID and credentials. In the current version of the app, users can create an ID card and proof of age. More credentials will be added later, such as the health insurance card and driver’s license.

Show threadLarvitz Jun 7
@jwildeboer Would buy something like that. I'd even be open to pay significantly more than a normal phone usually costs, if the device is truly open, and servicable.
Show threadRonny LamJun 7
@Larvitz @jwildeboer I agree, can't wait.
Show thread🍋 Superball ☀️Jun 7
@jwildeboer
I’m considering a Light Phone III, but I think I like your idea even better.
Show threadEberhard WolffJun 7
@jwildeboer (2) is a problem due to all the proprietary banking apps 😬
Show threadBørgeJun 7

@jwildeboer Sounds appealing. But at least here in Norway it's starting to get increasingly hard to live without the one payment app most people use. Of course for most things just bringing your bank card is fine but for example buying things used or from more informal vendors, people who sell home made stuff, etc, the payment app is kinda mandatory.

We also have some local public places you need an app to get in to at certain times of day.

Show threadBørgeJun 7
@jwildeboer These "half mandatory" apps will ofc differ from country to country, so not having an app store might be a bit problematic is my point.
Show thread🍋 Superball ☀️Jun 7

@forteller Eek that’s really bad. 😬 They don’t accept cash?

@jwildeboer

Show threadBørgeJun 7
@superball @jwildeboer Well. Yeah, sure, most people would accept cash. But you're unlikely to have it unless you go out of your way and they are unlikely to have cash to give you change
Show threadDaniel SchildtJun 7
@forteller @superball @jwildeboer Smaller towns in Finland no longer have ATMs, so if people want cash, they have to travel tens of kilometres (or more) to other cities to get it. Similar in a lot of other places around the world.
Show thread🍋 Superball ☀️Jun 8

@autiomaa That’s . . . really bad. 😬 Inspires me all the more toward a gift economy.

@forteller @jwildeboer

Show threadFamJun 7
@superball @forteller @jwildeboer can only answer for myself but where I live (city in Northern Europe) it's rare for cash to be accepted anywhere, ever.
Show thread🍋 Superball ☀️Jun 7
@usernomnomnom 😬
Show threadWhatisgoingonJun 7

@jwildeboer 💯 I would buy this and would be happy for most of the time.

If I look at my phone usage I definitely would miss a fourth service. Open Messaging (with voice/video calls).

The only time the phone component gets used is if I receive a call and then it is 95% spam, 4% delivery drivers and 1% something legit.

Show threadMirko SchenkJun 7
@jwildeboer
I wonder how many people would buy it. For most I know, not having WhatsApp alone would be a deal breaker.
Show threadplottersJun 7
@jwildeboer great idea and made by @jolla with @sailfishos ?
Show threadaquariusJun 7
@jwildeboer I’d like to see two more features added to that list: CalDAV and CardDAV support.
Show threadWombatDhampirJun 7
@jwildeboer If you convince the EU to adopt this and sharply reign in the big players, this could have a chance. It would take that level of backing to have legs.
Show threadherbertJun 7
@jwildeboer Add GPS app and I’m totally in.
Show threadM BerberichJun 8

@jwildeboer

Mußt be very cheap, because (at least for a transition period) it will be second phone.
Probably forever, because with this apps will be dead and I have lots of apps that work offline.

Show threadfall3nsun🌄🐧5d ago
@jwildeboer Jan, you have no idea how much I long for such a device. Would be amazing if someone tried launching such a device, I'd be so on board.