Neil BrownRE: https://mastodon.social/@Edent/116702950432997168
Yep. This.
And I *do* self-host a load of stuff. And I still do not come close to using 1Gbit.
Keith Judge@neil it's mostly so I can download games within an hour or two, rather than days, plus sometimes work stuff, but generally using tens of Mbps, not a gig.
Thibaultmol š@neil meanwhile In Belgium i have to get the gigaplan... Just because the download/upload speed is linked.
And the only way to get 50 up is by getting the 1000 down plan
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crabbypupThe problem, at least in north America non-fiber options, is that until you get to a gigabit pipe in the downstream direction, you're often stuck with just 30mbps in the upstream direction. You get 50mbps with gigabit.
But otherwise, I agree. I've had a 300/30 cable connection for many years now, and my network monitoring tells me that we rarely use it to its full capacity.
My main reason for wanting faster is to do offsite backups, which would take an unreasonably long time at 30mbps.
Stewart Tolhurst@neil When you factor in that most homes will only have WiFi 5 (or maybe 6), with mesh and 40Mhz channel widths at best, it becomes a very moot point. Itās good that things are future proofed, but I donāt even push more than 600Mb at work, and thats with 750 or so students streaming Netflix^W^W studying.
chrisgerhard@neil its back up to the cloud. I Max out my gigabit link, or would if I did not throttle it, for about an hour a day sending encrypted back ups to the cloud. Now the backups could be made more network efficient but that's not trivial and makes restore harder.
@neil obviously I'm really saying I need gigabit upload, which thankfully I have.
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Robin Davies@neil 100% this! We only have a VDSL line and still come nowhere close to really saturating it. Yes, it might be nice to have an FTTC line - but not for performance (which admittedly might be nice occasionally), but more because it will help reduce amateur radio RFI issues https://rsgb.services/public/publications/vdsl/measuring_and_reporting_vdsl_radcom_may%202020.pdf
@g7vkq I like FTTC - for stability, if nothing else - but we do not come close to using maxxing out our 500/500 line.
@neil our AA line barely has any issuesā¦the last 30 days itās been 100% available, and I canāt even remember the last time we had a line blipš³
@g7vkq We were not so lucky, despite A&A's persistence!
@neil yes - I can understand VDSL lines potentially have more issues and stability can easily erode. Donāt get me wrong, Iād probably get an FTTC line - if only to reduce my own radio interferenceā¦but from a broadband perspective I honestly doubt anyone in the house would even notice!
Dragon@g7vkq @neil there are a few times where I'd like more upload but it's usually when restoring a backup to my off-site box or throwing around large VMs.
Its really only for commercial reasons that sub 1Gbit packages exist on FTTP
If it's an altnet that own their network I suspect they could turn around and decide everyone gets at least a gigabit and it probably wouldn't do that much to their cost of providing service as I suspect the usage profile wouldn't actually change that much
Linker3000@neil Nice when someone you know also has Gigabit and you do mutual backups to a server or NAS at their place.
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@[email protected] As someone paying for 500Mb and moving to a house this week, where the max I can get is 20Mb I would say I agree but with a big caveat.
To get sensible modern speeds (Iād categorise as around 1-200Mb) you need modern fibre infrastructure. By the time youāve invested in that then the hardware can easily deliver 1Gb or even 10 with newer XGS-PON.
So Iād say yes I donāt need a gig, but also internet delivered over old copper phone infrastructure doesnāt really cut it anymore either. Itās nice to have options available to easily upgrade if/when it is needed.
@[email protected] As someone paying for 500Mb and moving to a house this week, where the max I can get is 20Mb I would say I agree but with a big caveat.
To get sensible modern speeds (Iād categorise as around 1-200Mb) you need modern fibre infrastructure. By the time youāve invested in that then the hardware can easily deliver 1Gb or even 10 with newer XGS-PON.
So Iād say yes I donāt need a gig, but also internet delivered over old copper phone infrastructure doesnāt really cut it anymore either. Itās nice to have options available to easily upgrade if/when it is needed.
Otis
SleepyCatten (Metastable, Skill Regression Arc)We're on 900 Mbps down and 100 Mbps up with Zen. It often ends up being faster in practice (just tested at 921.37 and 111.11).
Whilst we don't need the speed every moment of the day, any time we need to download something large, or we have simultaneous downloads, it really does make a difference to us.
Typically individual things max out at around 75 MB/s (600 Mbps) download, but this means that, in real terms, we never saturate the line with one thing. As a result, nothing else slows down.
For QOL, it's seemless.
As such, we'd say that it might be more than is needed for some folx, but we'd much rather have the additional bandwidth available than not, and we'd never want to go back to FTTC after experiencing FTTP.
bachimusprime@SleepyCatten @neil i used to have gigabit cable, and it was a fucking BLAST downloading 3 TB of stuff in just a few DAYS using only HALF my bandwidth or so lmao (50 MB/s)
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Northern Scrub@neil until recently, I had symmetrical 300Mb. I don't think I ever saturated the total available bandwidth, even hosting the site for an open source community, the testbed for my business, an email server, fedi, a personal albeit largely forgotten blog, a personal 'arr(ay), and even more stuff.
I now have symmetrical 500Mb for the same price, and it's obscene.
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Sarah Brown@neil this fediverse server is hosted on my 1gig home connection and I donāt even notice it.
Agnieszka R. TurczyÅska@neil I do not even know what my current bandwidth is, to be honest. Something around 40Mbps. And it's enough for my needs.
Also, I'm being a nuisance to door sales folks, as they try to sell me a faster Internet.
My dude (somehow it's always a dude), I don't need a faster Internet. I need a cheaper Internet. The moment you will grasp this concept, we will have a deal.
Some are lucky, because I'm busy at the moment, and the conversation is quick.
The unlucky are catching me, when I actually have some free time. And I give them a honest warning: "I doubt we will make a deal, but sure, go on, I'm not busy right now". 15 minutes later I wonder if maybe I should invite them for a cup of tea š