Hannah Clover3d ago
Raphael Albert

German outlets are reporting about a study done by lobbyists that (miraculously) found that businesses are unhappy with the GDPR.

Obviously, this still hasn't been said enough: the GDPR's purpose isn't making businesses happy! Its purpose is to protect our rights. It's necessary because far too many businesses won't respect our privacy unless they're forced to!

If running their business responsibly is such a huge burden for them, maybe they should let someone else do it.
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#privacy #GDPR

May 26 at 7:34pmWeb
Show threadMorten Juhl-Johansen3d ago
@r_alb Every time I hear these complaints, I feel there is a certain success.
Show threadRaphael Albert3d ago
@mjj
Exactly what I felt
Show threadRobin Wren3d ago
@r_alb I do find it easy to believe that businesspeople would be more happy if they could just profit from selling our data as they wish.
Not a groundbreaking discovery.
Show threadRaphael Albert3d ago
@robin_wren
True! The study's conclusion should have been that we need new businesspeople.
Show threadGhostOnTheHalfShell3d ago

@r_alb

If business is screaming the right thing is being done

Show threadRaphael Albert3d ago

@GhostOnTheHalfShell
Unless politicians hear their screams and mistake them for a call to action. Whenever that happens, we're in trouble.

Yes Digital Omnibus, I'm talking about you.

Show threadmjc09613d ago

@r_alb "businesses are unhappy with the GDPR"

Good.

(although if someone wanted to modify the GDPR just a little bit to stop every website from spamming me about cookies, that'd be okay)

Show threadSami Sundell3d ago
@mjc0961
Of course, there's nothing in GDPR demanding cookie popups for every web site, it's the "we collect personal profile of you to share with our 1700 closest partners" that causes the problem. The sites can choose to not collect data, and/or comply with DNT/GPC settings.
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Show threadNeil3d ago
@ssundell @mjc0961
It reminds me of how (here in the US) restaurants sometimes add a surcharge to the bill along with an explanation that it covers the cost of providing benefits to their workers. They could do this transparently by raising prices but they want to make sure you, the customer, know about the injustices the local government heaps on poor restaurateurs.
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Show threadmjc09613d ago

@ssundell And they're not going to stop collecting data without laws to make them stop. We all know they're doing it. And if we don't like it, our only real option is to stop using the Internet.

So the least GDPR could do is either start being stricter so they cannot collect the data in the first place, or ease the requirements so end users aren't constantly spammed with pop-ups.

If nothing else: require browsers to store a universal default and have websites use that.

Show threadCy3d ago
if German outlets weren't liars who hate humanity, they'd locate a study that found businesses are happy with the GDPR. Because it's both. Some happy, some unhappy. No reason to make a study on it, but it would be thumbing your nose at the slavery death cult, who wants their hands on your leash. Responsible businesspeople will be very happy at restrictions and regulations, because it means they don't have to compete with the jerks who violate them.

Every small grocer should thank sweet heaven that there are regulations preventing Wal*Mart or Target from bankrupting them through strategic underpricing and bribing local authorities.

(Notice how there aren't any small grocers anymore.)
Show threadSeanBurlington 🌈 🕊️3d ago

@r_alb the GDPR is great - I mean it could be better enforced -

..but so many work conversations where someone wants to collect and retain data without even having a clear reason ...

The GDPR gives those of us in the room who don't want it something solid to point to.

Compliance is lax but exists

Show threadSeachaint3d ago

@sean @r_alb YEP. I used to work at a web scraping company as a solution architect - helping people agree on sane projects collect data from the web. (This was pre-chatbot era, thank goodness - we never willingly facilitated creative-work theft)

The GDPR and the weaker California law were amazing, I loved them. It reduced the number of times I had to stick my neck out and refuse to work on skeevy clients 

Show threadEm 3d ago
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Show threadthéorie 3d ago
@r_alb Actually one of the GDPR purpose is to enable a personal data market that respects rights. So it's not *only* about rights. It's also about making money from personal data.
Show threadVinay3d ago

@r_alb In other news, businesses are also unhappy with laws that
* Prohibit them from extracting labour outside work hours without overtime pay
* Force them to offer parental leave with pay
* Prohibit them from employing children

Won't somebody think of the poor innocent multinational enterprise whose plans are being thwarted by "onerous" and "burdensome" regulations?

Show threadKevinOnEarth3d ago
@r_alb
As with everything else, whoever has the most lobbyists with the biggest lobbying budget will ultimately win out.
WHY have I NEVER seen an in-depth documentary on how the "#Lobbying"/Legal-#Corruption business really works?
With names and figures.
Show threadbrunius3d ago

@r_alb echoes of "but if I have to pay minimum wage I'll go out of business!"

Ok. And?

Show threadderptron3d ago

@r_alb "...far too many businesses won't respect our privacy unless they're forced to!"

As indicated by their unhappiness with being forced to.

Show threadcanleaf08✅ 加拿大葉子 🏳️‍🌈⚧️🇪🇺🍁3d ago
@r_alb make GDPR more stricter, dear @EUCommission
Show threadcanleaf08✅ 加拿大葉子 🏳️‍🌈⚧️🇪🇺🍁3d ago
@r_alb @EUCommission no EU data should be on US, British or Russian servers
Show threadAlpaca Male3d ago
@r_alb I have implemented processes for staying GDPR compliant. It's really annoying and gets in the way of building other features. But in the end, most of it can be simplified by a few architectural design decisions. If you think about your users' rights from the beginning, most of the problems are easily resolved. If they are an afterthought, that's when things get ugly.
Show thread�3d ago

@r_alb

next up: business are unhappy with labor law and the absurd thing called salary

Show threadMatthew Setter3d ago
@r_alb very well said!
Show threadHenri Verymetaldev3d ago

@r_alb

Well there have been some setbacks.

Show threadHolger Hellinger3d ago
@r_alb That’s true. If they simply used our data for the purpose for which we visit their websites, the GDPR wouldn’t be a problem at all. But anyone who has to incorporate tracking, overlays, adverts and social media will just have to learn the hard way
Show threadJakeB3d ago
@r_alb The cost for training a data protection officer and being compliant, is miniscule even for start ups. So, only companies that want to either train or use ai on sensitive data would complain about GDPR. These studies are crafted to build consensus for the dismantling of GDPR laws and we should discredit them publicly any chance we get.
Show threadSteve Fenton ➜3d ago
@r_alb 100% this!
Show threadJacques Chester3d ago
@r_alb if criminal law was introduced today there’d be so much bitching about the red tape and interference in management’s god-given right to kill the bottom 5% of employees every year. How else would you motivate those slackers?!?!!
Show threadLeeloo2d ago
@r_alb
In other news, cannibals are unhappy with laws against killing people.