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SecondUniverse (she/her/they)May 3

20% of women "might" regret a sterilization procedure, so the NHS often denies access.

1) The "regret" bogeyman is rolled out for any procedure deviating from social norms. For example, gender affirming care has an almost 0% regret rate, but "regret" is still used to gatekeep care. The rate of regret is not the factor. It is resistance to the idea people can choose not to follow the "norm".

2) People can choose things in life knowing they might regret them. The possibility of regret is part of our freedom. Only the person undergoing the procedure can decide if the risk is acceptable to them.

3) A life with regrets is not a lesser life. A life paternalistically shielded from regret is a diminished life.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/may/01/female-sterilisation-nhs-access-questions

#trans #womensRights #ukpol

Woman’s fight for sterilisation raises questions over access to procedure

Critics say women face unequal treatment but others say tighter controls reflect legitimate medical concerns

The Guardian

Mage of Voids May 3

@SecondUniverse 20% is a deadly low severe lack of foresight, and you won't know until menopause.

AS A WOMAN WHO WENT THROUGH MANY PROCEDURES WITHOUT HER CONSENT, STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION ABOUT YOUR FANTASIES OF BEING OPPRESSED THIS PARTICULAR WAY. JUST GO DONATE SOME EGGS AND GET PAID FOR IT OR STOP SAYING YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO. WOMEN END THEIR LIVES OVER THE REGRETS OF WILLINGLY BEING STERILISED AND SOME OF US GET THOSE RIGHTS STOLEN BY IDENTITY THEIVES SO STOP. STOP STOP STOP STOP.

Ovidi Nawer May 3

@Mage_of_Chaos @SecondUniverse this was hella hard to read but just to be sure: are you in favor or against letting people get sterilized

@Nawer_Rapter @SecondUniverse
1 more thing to make, I don't even identify as a woman anymore, but anyways!
I am pro-choice.
I am anti forced anything. I have seen the dangers of people being psychologically manupulated to believe that early sterilasation is going to make them feel more comfortable or happy in their bodies or with their hormone cycles, PARTICULARLY women or womb baring individuals.
It's dangerous psychology risk if done without necessity, with safer alternatives.

Ovidi Nawer May 3

@Mage_of_Chaos @SecondUniverse oh okay I see I guessed so. It was hard to understand what the original post said that's why I asked mostly.
There are definetly cases of people forcing other people or convincing other people, but tbh they seem to be more an exception than a rule nowdays. Except on gambling. And getting a degree. And drinking and smoking. Things with a low barrier entry tbh. It's also weird cuz if you change the topic to trans people, this sounds TERF aligned but yeah.

Mage of Voids May 3

@Nawer_Rapter @SecondUniverse

I'm the furthest thing from a TERF you'll find. Lol.

It's actually one of the areas I studied, it's ironic because it's SO much more common than people think for them to be manipulated into doing something by being told they aren't allowed to choose to do it, etc.
It's almost reverse psychology. But worse.
I was studying psychological abuse, particularly digitally inflicted psychological abuse, with and without augmented interfaces or "AI". It's covert¹⁰.

Ovidi Nawer May 3

@Mage_of_Chaos @SecondUniverse yeah the classical backlash
Thing is,even yet,the fact that this is a much more intrusive and active choice than, let's say, a tattoo,or having by error a child actually,the effect of such psychological mechanism is severly halved by a barrier of entry
I've also been a lot into this kind of stuff, mostly personal interest tho and a lot of It through the lenses of psychology of videogames/addiction/art focused discussions so maybe i'm a bit off
That % isn't real tho

Mage of Voids May 3

@Nawer_Rapter @SecondUniverse

I've almost died during pregnancy and due to pregnancy more than twice, and from experience I can truly inform you that it's not the organ that is the risk factor from it. Anti-natalists are toxic. And womb baring individuals have a substatial risk for suicide if needlessly sterilised, particularly prior to baring children of their own but not exclusively, as in if they don't want children, I'm all for them making that choice to not get pregnant, —

Mage of Voids May 3

@Nawer_Rapter @SecondUniverse —or be around rapey folk to impregnate them. Absolutely use protection and alternatives, because I have tattoos, piercing and body altering surgeries pre-puberty that I absolutely DON'T regret, but not STERILISING & have had more surgeries than most, particularly as a child, but also as an adult. In my expertise, it's just an UNNECESSARY permanent womb modification to a temporary health risk.
There aren't unwanted/unloved children in this world. I was unplanned.

Ovidi Nawer May 3

@Mage_of_Chaos @SecondUniverse there are a lot of reasons.
Your menstruation may not have been the worst, or maybe you just like to suffer idk, but there is a lot of people (and damn me if the number isn't rising and is probably related to microplastics and massive air pollution) who would exchange a child for several years of literal horrors, which you probably know if you had to go through that many surgeries.
It's a world with too many people and too many possiblilities, that's the thing.

Mage of Voids May 3

@Nawer_Rapter @SecondUniverse
My menstruation puts me at risk of suicide monthly if literally any other type of abuse, including someone digitally harassing me, is heaped onto my menstruation, my womb leads to a diagnoses only womb baring folks can have, and it's one of the leading causes of suicide in women my age.
On the contrary to mine maybe not being as bad as others, it's disablingly painful post partum, PHYSICALLY, not like PPD, far worse, pain wise. I lack no wisdom or experience. PMDD.

Ovidi Nawer May 3

@Mage_of_Chaos ell there you have It, you're the strongest womb bearer in the world and you can tank all of it for the sake of having a child.
And that's the thing: some won't. A lot can't in fact. A whole hell of a lot of people can't.
Damn I barely wasn't able to get through becoming partially deaf (painlessly) from 1 ear and I still don't know if I will last for long before being unable to bear it anymore. And a lot of people would consider me strong.
Who knows who can tank what, and how.

Ovidi Nawer May 3

@Mage_of_Chaos honestly it's weird to be so defensive about having a child, with how the world is going right now.
I won't press it any further, but the true enemy as usual is capitalism, and until we get rid of that economy bullshit we won't be able to even grasp the surface of all this very-much-more complex-than-what-we-can-study-under-capitalism stuff.
For now I would advice to just not force anyone to anything and that's all for now.

Mage of Voids May 3

@Nawer_Rapter @SecondUniverse

Absolutely no one would exchange a child for years of horrors, you are expressing toxic assu ptions about not only me but all womb baring individuals and incorrectly assuming I have no wisdom of many things you clearly lack it in.

Ovidi Nawer May 3

@Mage_of_Chaos @SecondUniverse I mean a lot of trans people die by suicide, even after transitioning.
Do we call those regrets from transitioning? I personally wouldn't.
There's also a higher % of people who wish they were never born than people who commit suicide, mostly because you would prefer to silently disappear from the world than being a bummer to so much people.
It's a bit shaky to pull too much to "anti-natalism is toxic" to justify the harassment towards sterilized women/soon to be.

Mage of Voids May 3

@Nawer_Rapter we will not get into the suicide risks of binary or non binary or transitioning folk or transitioned ones.

A lot of serial killers make their victims look suicidal. We're needlessly drawing straws her about death risks.

@Nawer_Rapter @[email protected] @SecondUniverse There was a lot to unpack there and you were brave to attempt it. 🌻

Ovidi Nawer May 4

@Linza @SecondUniverse I mean brave is to turn down people doing harmful stuff irl
This is just trying to fine tune possible missunderstandings and ideas, which is the basis of human nature as that dude who was obsessed with the imperfection of language said (and Pinocchio-P, who makes music, but the lyrics are philosophy pieces by themselves sometiems)