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@pitrh geez I'd love to catch those VPP session

(and your PF session of course!)

Are they available remotely or is it in person only? @bsdcan

@oxyhyxo @pitrh @bsdcan Always streamed.

Recall all that noise I made about upgrading our kit?

@dexter @pitrh @bsdcan I mean the tutorials specifically. I've been watching the streams for a while now ;)

@oxyhyxo @pitrh @bsdcan Oooooooh. Hmm. Yeah. The debate rages on. What’s your position @bsdtv?

@dexter @pitrh @bsdcan @bsdtv I'll pay the fee to access the sessions but I cant physically do 20+ hours of flights :(

Even if it isnt recorded I have unlimited caffeine and a can do attitude :)

@oxyhyxo @pitrh @bsdcan @bsdtv So this is weird.

For the #OpenZFS Summit I arranged for a remote participation ticket that includes a T-shirt and other SWAG.

Weeeeeird.

@dexter @pitrh @bsdcan @bsdtv wym?

@oxyhyxo @pitrh @bsdcan @bsdtv Tutorials are traditionally a paid option. The formula might be open to innovation.

@dexter @pitrh @bsdcan @bsdtv I'm aware. I was just curious if having paid for said tutorial that some method of attending remotely had been considered.

i realise its a pain in the ass and probably not an option (especially if its for 1-2 people max) but it never hurts to ask ;)

@oxyhyxo @pitrh @bsdcan @bsdtv Let’s see what others think.

Phillip Vuchetich 1d ago

@dexter @oxyhyxo @pitrh @bsdcan @bsdtv
I like the idea of tutorials being available for a few remote participants. The video setup is fine for one- way streaming. My concern is whether the presenters can simultaneously give feedback to both in-person and remote participants efficiently (within the time allotted for each session). It is tricky to balance.
For example, in the pf tutorial a few years ago, I got stuck a few times and a quick review by Peter got me back on track. That same review/ feedback loop for remote participants doesn't flow the same as in-person interaction, and not all presenters may be comfortable splitting focus between in-person and remote participants.

Overall, if the tutorial presenter wants to have both in-person and remote participants, consider offering one or two remote seats. If more than that, consider a separate all-remote tutorial session or a recording.

It would likely need an additional charge to support the 2- way streaming setup because someone other than the presenters should manage the connection with remote participants.

BSDTV 1d ago

@philvuchetich , you bring up a good point and a problem we have solved at other conferences. For OpenZFS Portland 2025 myself, @dexter and additional AV volunteers put together a very smooth solution and had very happy Europeans and an Aussie fully participating to the point that it felt like they were in the room with us. We had break out sessions led by an offsite person and it was all very effective. It also takes lots of management,setup time, hardware, and effort however. While I am not at all opposed to the idea of streaming the tutorial(s), we would Need to have a full (er)AV team onsite days earlier than we have already have planned and purchased tickets for and we would certainly need additional hardware. Especially since we are supporting 2 Dev Summits @bsdcan this year: @FreeBSDFoundation and @netbsd

@oxyhyxo @pitrh

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Peter N. M. Hansteen 2d ago

@oxyhyxo @bsdcan The tutorials have generally not been streamed (but we did do a remote one during one of the online-only conferences once).

This time around AFAIK there are plans to stream and record only the talks, not tutorials (but possibly BOFs?).

@pitrh @bsdcan yeah I fully understand why it would be that way. Being in the room together is the point.

Just makes it a bit tricky for us antipodeans of reduced physical capacity :(

Peter N. M. Hansteen 2d ago

@oxyhyxo @bsdcan I think the main hurdle is to come up with a usable two way communication for remote participants while limiting to the ones who actually registered. We also need to know roughly how many labs to start (one per participant, preferably with some spares in case of mishaps).

We could possibly use something like Jitsi and only distribute the actual meeting link to registered participants.