Polls close in high-stakes Hungarian election as Magyar seeks to oust Orbán

A Tisza victory could lead to an overhaul in relations between Budapest and Brussels.

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@benroyce

“As voting closed at 7 pm, turnout stood at 77.8%…”

That’s amazing. Meanwhile, in this dystopian society, that’s the percentage who can’t be bothered to vote.

Here’s to changing that in 2026.

100 days before #Arizona #primates!

@evoterra @benroyce
In Australia that turnout would be considered disastrous & prompt an investigation into what went wrong & how to fix it.
Make voting easy, proportional & compulsory.
@JustRobForNow @evoterra @benroyce I like the Australian system (I think STV), other than compulsory voting. Not voting can also be a statement of political choice, even if it is too often abused.

@hoare_spitall @JustRobForNow @evoterra

not voting is for morons

Mamdani v Cuomo

Magyar v Orban

HELLLOOOOOO???

@benroyce @JustRobForNow @evoterra To vote or not to vote . . . . I stand by my statement. And while I support a very large proportion of what @benroyce says, I think it would improve his viewpoint of electoral democracy if he were to be able to stop viewing the exhibition in the lobby only through the US letterbox. When there are 30 candidates, and none of them are worth a vote, then it's a tad hard to label the non-voter a moron. It's not always a simple strategy game.

@hoare_spitall

Stawman argument.

“None of them are worth a vote” is rarely true, but is the cry of the detached non-voter clinging to some misguided sense of moral clarity.

I used to be one. I’ve grown. It’s possible.

@benroyce @JustRobForNow

@evoterra @benroyce @JustRobForNow So, in how many political systems have you actually qualified to actually cast a vote?
@hoare_spitall @evoterra @benroyce @JustRobForNow
I understand your position and respectfully disagree.
IMVHO the Australian system puts the friction in approximately the right place: spoiling your ballot - legal. Not showing up, illegal.
Edit: in my case, 3 — have voted in UK (FPTP, optional vote), NZ (proportional, optional vote) & Aus (proportional, compulsory vote).
@jaystephens @evoterra @benroyce @JustRobForNow And I fully respect your disagreement. Thank you.
@hoare_spitall @jaystephens @evoterra @benroyce @JustRobForNow Which means you don't have to vote for anyone, but you do have to turn up and deliberately not vote for anyone. You can draw rude pictures on the ballot if you wish. The point is that your choice is your choice.

@ariaflame @hoare_spitall @jaystephens @evoterra @JustRobForNow

and while i disagree with that choice, getting lazy assholes to go to the polling station is 99% of the problem

so if someone is standing there and still wants to draw a dick on their ballot, i'm fine with it, even if i disagree with it, because *most* people will at least make a fucking choice once standing there

which improves this world

@benroyce @ariaflame @hoare_spitall @jaystephens @evoterra @JustRobForNow

I think this is why a lot of people don’t vote.

Voting, while necessary, is almost the least part of a functioning democracy. That so many people do not vote shows the failure of those other parts.

True, many of those failures are intentional, designed to suppress the vote, or reduce choice to something meaningless.

But it is those other failures that need to be addressed if we want people to feel voting is purposeful. Without that, there is no reason to expect them to try.

@hypostase @ariaflame @hoare_spitall @jaystephens @evoterra @JustRobForNow

the fix you seek is provided via them voting (and other efforts)

the failure to understand that and not have the heart to do what is necessary is the failure

to somehow mollify heartless people who have given up on the fight is not our responsibility

some of these people are lying trolls, some have wound up in cynical helplessness sincerely

but they must fix themselves

they can seek aid from those who will listen

@benroyce @ariaflame @hoare_spitall @jaystephens @evoterra @JustRobForNow

The fix I seek is provided by education and community building. By challenging the politicians who ask for votes with questions that show a depth of understanding of the issues.

It is not provided by voting and praying that the next representative will somehow do the right thing.

Indeed many people are just trolling the field, as part of the misinformation campaign. It takes genuine connection and organisation to overcome that.

Sure, in Hungary a lot of people held their noses and voted for what was available, rather than what they might actually have wanted, but it’s also pretty clear that that took organisation and grassroots connections as well.

I just hoping that it doesn’t take the US another 16 years to figure out how to do that.

@hypostase @ariaflame @hoare_spitall @jaystephens @evoterra @JustRobForNow

we can build communities but if we ignore voting the fascists eventually have all power and just machine gun us laughing

as mamdani showed, you just fucking vote

you're asking for centrist assholes and MAGA fascists to magically turn left before you vote

that doesn't work

what you do is you ignore them

vote for real leftists in the primaries

and replace them

your ask is huge and slow

my ask is tiny and effective